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* Will Most Executions Be Halted?

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#1 of 49

     Posted 9/25/07 3:20 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 19542  Last 7/8/08
To  All      [Msg # 219246.1 ]    

Will Most Executions Be Halted?

Is injecting deadly medicine into a condemned criminal an unconstitutionally "cruel and unusual punishment?"  That's what the Supreme Court has again agreed to decide this term.  Do you think the Court will permit execution by lethal injection to continue?

That's the issue the Supreme Court has agreed to take up in its new term, when it will hear arguments challenging Kentucky's method of capital punishment.

"This is huge news," Ohio State law professor Douglas A. Berman is quoted as saying in today's New York Times, where he contended that it "could (and probably should) lead to a de facto moratorium on all lethal-injection executions nationwide until the Supreme Court issues a ruling."

Public defender David M. Barron, who represented both defendants, was also enthusiastic about today's new.  "This is probably one of the most important cases in decades, as it relates to the death penalty," the BBC quoted him as saying this morning.

Both cases involved in the appeal granted certiorari by the Supreme Court today stem from a 2004 Kentucky case involving Ralph Baze and Thomas Clyde Bowling Jr.

Until the case is decided, many observers expect pending executions by lethal injection to be in suspense.

Do you think the Court will permit execution by lethal injection to continue?  Should it?

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#2 of 49

     Posted 9/25/07 4:30 PM   
Comrade Laissez-Faire
 
From  Comrade Laissez-Faire  Posts 125  Last 4/3/09
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 219246.2 Message 219246.2 replying to 219246.1 219246.1 ]    

Do you think the Court will permit execution by lethal injection to continue?  Should it?

Since the Supremes agreed to hear the case, I think there is a 50/50 chance it could go either way based on the political ideology makeup of the current Court. 

As far as lethal injection goes as a means of execution in and of itself, I don't agree that it constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment" any more than it does for putting an old sick dog to sleep.

My personal position on the death penalty is that it ought to be optional on the part of the person convicted of homicide because there is a proven track record since the advent of DNA testing, of juries mistakingly convicting innocent people of homicide and to death, which is specifically why Illinois suspended its death penalty.

Granted, most of those convicted of murder would opt for life imprisonment without the possibility of parole over execution, but there would always be a few who would prefer to end their life promptly rather than spend the rest of it freedomless locked in a pen.  Criminally insane or developmentally disabled murderers incapable of making such a decision would automatically get a life sentence.   

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#3 of 49

     Posted 9/25/07 4:58 PM   
noazdbackfan
 
From  noazdbackfan  Posts 480  Last 9/25/07
To  Comrade Laissez-Faire      [Msg # 219246.3 Message 219246.3 replying to 219246.2 219246.2 ]    
It won't be long before the only people who has a right to kill another is the criminal. When we focus more energy on the criminals and convicts and less on the victims and how their lives are affected we no longer have a justice system.....just a legal system.
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#4 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 3:26 AM   
femfatale004
 
From  femfatale004  Posts 56  Last 10/4/07
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 219246.4 Message 219246.4 replying to 219246.1 219246.1 ]    
omg, is my doctors office practicing cruelty to me by using a needle to draw my blood?gee,
if thats the case then maybe i have a huge law suit to start up ! this halt on executions
for this reason is the biggest bunch of crap ive yet to hear. so what if the child killer, rapists,
serial killers and so on get a boo boo? who the hell cares?if there were any justice theyd
die the same way as they forced thier innocent victims to. why dont they put this to a vote and
let the american people decide? and meanwhile keep the liberal cry babies out of it.we are
so dammed soft on crime, no wonder we have so much of it.
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#5 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 10:21 AM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 219246.5 Message 219246.5 replying to 219246.1 219246.1 ]    

<<<Is injecting deadly medicine into a condemned criminal an unconstitutionally "cruel and unusual punishment?"  >>>

 What form of  execution ISN'T cruel and unusual punishment?

<< Do you think the Court will permit execution by lethal injection to continue?>>

 If not, I wonder what they will come up with to take it's place that will be compassionate & common as opposed to cruel & unusual? I can't wait to see what that will be, & how they will justify it as "better".

Regards, Sue
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#6 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 10:23 AM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  Comrade Laissez-Faire      [Msg # 219246.6 Message 219246.6 replying to 219246.2 219246.2 ]    

<<< Criminally insane or developmentally disabled murderers incapable of making such a decision would automatically get a life sentence.  >>>>

But, arn't they ALL victims of some sort of mental or emotional problem?

Regards, Sue
Edited 9/26/07   by  susiej
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#7 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 10:24 AM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  noazdbackfan      [Msg # 219246.7 Message 219246.7 replying to 219246.3 219246.3 ]    (Unread)

<<<When we focus more energy on the criminals and convicts and less on the victims and how their lives are affected we no longer have a justice system....>>

Thats not a justice system...thats a revenge system.

Regards, Sue
Edited 9/26/07   by  susiej
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#8 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 10:26 AM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  femfatale004      [Msg # 219246.8 Message 219246.8 replying to 219246.4 219246.4 ]    

<<<we are
so dammed soft on crime, no wonder we have so much of it.>>

"We" are soft on crime? We are one of only a few countries left that still uses the barbaric death penalty.

Regards, Sue
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#9 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 10:36 AM   
femfatale004
 
From  femfatale004  Posts 56  Last 10/4/07
To  susiej      [Msg # 219246.9 Message 219246.9 replying to 219246.8 219246.8 ]    
Barbaric? okay, lets be barbaric when it calls for it! what worse to me than being barbaric
is to allow cold blooded killers to go living thier lives, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, watching,
tv, etc , while thier innocent victims lay in the ground.I,LL take barbaric over stupid injustice any
day !
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#10 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 11:31 AM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  femfatale004      [Msg # 219246.10 Message 219246.10 replying to 219246.9 219246.9 ]    

<<  I,LL take barbaric over stupid injustice any>>>

 You sound alot like the killer. The death penalty isn't justice, it's revenge....it's human cruelty just like the murderer performed, and just like you are wishing on him. Whats the difference in your ideas and a those of a murderer?

Regards, Sue
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#11 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 3:34 PM   
femfatale004
 
From  femfatale004  Posts 56  Last 10/4/07
To  susiej      [Msg # 219246.11 Message 219246.11 replying to 219246.10 219246.10 ]    
the differnce is, im doing away with scum, they did away with the innocent.
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#12 of 49

     Posted 9/26/07 3:37 PM   
femfatale004
 
From  femfatale004  Posts 56  Last 10/4/07
To  susiej      [Msg # 219246.12 Message 219246.12 replying to 219246.10 219246.10 ]    
ps, besides that, who said revenge isnt justice? wasnt me
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#13 of 49

     Posted 9/27/07 11:45 AM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  femfatale004      [Msg # 219246.13 Message 219246.13 replying to 219246.11 219246.11 ]    

<<<the differnce is, im doing away with scum, they did away with the innocent.>>

Thats not a difference.  Who are you to say who is the scum and who isn't? The murdered person was obviously scum to person who murdered him.  

Regards, Sue
Edited 9/27/07   by  susiej
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#14 of 49

     Posted 9/27/07 11:49 AM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  femfatale004      [Msg # 219246.14 Message 219246.14 replying to 219246.12 219246.12 ]    

<<< besides that, who said revenge isnt justice? >>>

 Webster. Look up the definitions of both. They are two seperate things.

Regards, Sue
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#15 of 49

     Posted 9/27/07 5:40 PM   
femfatale004
 
From  femfatale004  Posts 56  Last 10/4/07
To  susiej      [Msg # 219246.15 Message 219246.15 replying to 219246.13 219246.13 ]    
QUOTE, who are you to say who is scum and who isnt? the murdered person was obviously scum to the
person who murdered him? omg, do you hear yourself? you are defending murderers becuase they
didnt happen to care for the person they killed? are you kidding? you cant be serious.
i suppose the little murdered child laying inside an oil barrel was scum to the pedofile who killed
him? raped and murdered women are scum becuase some woman hating serial killer wanted to do away with them?
oh no no no no,, you need help.
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#16 of 49

     Posted 9/27/07 5:43 PM   
femfatale004
 
From  femfatale004  Posts 56  Last 10/4/07
To  susiej      [Msg # 219246.16 Message 219246.16 replying to 219246.14 219246.14 ]    
revenge CAN be justice, it certainly is in the case of the death penalty in my book.
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#17 of 49

     Posted 9/27/07 6:48 PM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  femfatale004      [Msg # 219246.17 Message 219246.17 replying to 219246.15 219246.15 ]    

<<<omg, do you hear yourself? you are defending murderers becuase they
didnt happen to care for the person they killed?>>

LOL, I didn't defend murderers. You still don't get it, do you?  yes, murderers didn't care about their victims just like you don't care about the murderer. Why don't we just arm everyone and allow each of us to kill whomever we think needn't live?

<<you cant be serious>>

 About not killing criminals? Yes, I'm serious...as much as you are about killing them.

<<raped and murdered women are scum becuase some woman hating serial killer wanted to do away with them?>>>>

 Probably. most men who kill women hate them...it's starts with their mothers.

<<you need help.>>

 LOL.....

 

Regards, Sue
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#18 of 49

     Posted 9/28/07 1:20 AM   
femfatale004
 
From  femfatale004  Posts 56  Last 10/4/07
To  susiej      [Msg # 219246.18 Message 219246.18 replying to 219246.17 219246.17 ]    
I am not advocating shedding the blood of the innocent the way cold blooded killers do,
im only advocating shedding the blood of those who have purposly shed blood. lets not get
carried away.If a person thinks somebody is scum okay let them think it, but if he takes
their life for that or any reason except in self defense then he needs to pay with his own life.
whats fair is fair and what just is just. period.
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#19 of 49

     Posted 9/28/07 1:22 AM   
femfatale004
 
From  femfatale004  Posts 56  Last 10/4/07
To  susiej      [Msg # 219246.19 Message 219246.19 replying to 219246.17 219246.17 ]    
ps, im sorry about the ;you need help comment: it was uncalled for on my part.
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#20 of 49

     Posted 9/28/07 9:03 AM   
susiej
 
From  susiej  Posts 6196  Last Oct-19
To  femfatale004      [Msg # 219246.20 Message 219246.20 replying to 219246.18 219246.18 ]    

<<I am not advocating shedding the blood of the innocent the way cold blooded killers do>>

 Blood is blood no matter who it comes from...isn't it?

<<If a person thinks somebody is scum okay let them think it, but if he takes
their life for that or any reason except in self defense then he needs to pay with his own life.>>>

  You are again ready to take HIS life, and not in defence of yourself. Why is it ok for you to want a human dead, and not the criminal, and what purpose would it serve to execute him ? Executing people is solely for the purpose of making the ones who hate the crime, happy.

   The victim is still dead.......the family is still devastated. To think death to the criminal is the magical end to the horrors of a  murder case is reduculous. It changes nothing. It's legalized murder. Why do we turn around and do the same thing to the mnurderer that he did to someone else? Arn't we "better" than him..than his crime...better & smarter than that?

<<whats fair is fair and what just is just. period.>>

Life in prison is both.

Regards, Sue
Edited 9/28/07   by  susiej
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