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Enviro Aug 08 '05 Global Change Signs

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     Posted 8/9/05 9:37 PM   
Sue N
 
From  Sue N  Posts 1550  Last 10/30/08
To  All      [Msg # 110791.1 ]    

Do you feel that birds and fish are good indicators of global warming?

Global Change Signs

As the astronauts looked down from the shuttle during their recent flight, they were able to see signs of widespread environmental destruction on Earth. The Great Wall of China is by no means the only sign of mankind that can be seen from space. Commander Eileen Collins said that they could see erosion and deforestation. She was not the first to express concern about the environment. Back in 2001 then commander of the International Space Station (ISS) Frank Culbertson said that astronauts had seen signs of climate change. From their vantage point they can see dust storms, storms, droughts, hurricanes, changes in land use, fires to clear land, deforestation, smoke and dust. They also see how well lit-up the Earth is at night by our lights.

Fortunately we don't have to wait for a shuttle flight or take a trip to the ISS to observe the Earth from above. NASA's Earth Observatory publishes new images each day and there's an archive. It not only shows weather, earth and see temperatures and vegetations, but how the glaciers are retreating. NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day also includes some pictures of the Earth, including one showing the Earth at Night, all lit up.

Another way of observing climate change is phenology, the study of natural seasonal or cyclic events. Put simply, by observing the signs of spring to see if it is coming earlier, and the signs of autumn (fall) to see if it comes later, we can tell if the average temperature is rising over time. Maps of the extent of glaciers also give an indication, as do marks showing historical sea levels.

As well as the arrival and departure times of birds and fish, and the timing of the seasons of native plants, their ranges may change in reaction to the temperature as well as to other factors such as human disturbance. When the other known factors are allowed for, there remain quite a few changes which would appear to be due to global warming. This includes birds which overwinter in an area where they have only been summer visitors before, or being seen breeding at a higher altitude than before, but not individuals that have been blown astray by a freak storm or hitched a lift. Fish too, have changed their ranges, possibly because the phytoplankton have.

One obvious way of looking for signs of global warming is to record temperature over time. The first temperatures were taken when Galileo Galilei invented the thermometer in 1597. The scientist Robert Hooke made a series of daily measurements from 1664. The oldest set of continuous measurements were begun in 1815 at the Radcliffe Observatory, Oxford. Some measurements have been affected by the fact that a big city grew up around them, and cities tend to be warmer than the surrounding countryside, so even a steady increase may not be an indicator of global warming. An average over the whole Earth is really required, and the trends need to be confirmed by other methods.

As well as the melting of existing glaciers, we can tell something about how the climate used to be by signs of previous glaciers - u-shaped valleys, deposits of morraine and rearrangement of rocks. Another way of looking at the distant past is through fossils - the kind of animals and plants found in an area will depend on what the climate was like. As well as fossils, ancient pollen has a story to tell. Drilling deep cores and looking at the material in each layer allows scientists to go back in time, as much as 140,000 years (at Grand Pile, France). When going a long way back, account has to be taken of the fact that the Earth's land masses have not stood still, but moved around.

So, we have a variety of ways of estimating the Earth's temperature. Some are less accurate but more long term, giving us a feeling for when there were ice ages and when we've been in interglacial periods. Others, more recent, include accurate measurements on the Earth's surface and from space, and corroborating information from phenology. Of course, nothing is simple. For example, global warming could lead to Britain freezing, thanks to the Ocean Conveyor Belt, which goes to show that some phenomena can buck the trend. Also global dimming may have masked the underlying global warming. But as more and more evidence points in the same direction, it is getting harder not to believe in global warming.

Wildlife moves to stay cool in a warmer world

A lot of animals have been noticed in areas further north than they normally go. These include salmon, locusts, warblers, toucans, John Dory fish, bears and butterflies. New species seen by the Inuit in their area include robins, hornets and barn owls. Not everyone believes that this is due to global warming, however, and a few sightings do have other explanations. The study of natural seasonal or cyclic events such as the arrival of birds and flowers is called phenology.

The head of the U.S. Science and Environmental Policy Project, Fred Singer, said, "If you want to measure temperatures, you use a thermometer, not a bird. Birds have all sorts of reasons for moving north, south, sideways or whatever."

Does it matter? In some cases it might. If warblers head north to Canada, then spruce budworm caterpillars may have free rein to attack spruce forests, which could lead to forests becoming more vulnerable to fire.

Please see the following message for the remaining stories.

Sue [sysop in NewsForum, World Issues, All Animals forums]
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     Posted 8/9/05 9:41 PM   
Sue N
 
From  Sue N  Posts 1550  Last 10/30/08
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Other stories

UN confirms Iran restarts nuclear activities, Iran Resumes Uranium Conversion Efforts

The International Atomic Energy Agency has confirmed that Iran has restarted nuclear activities. It has started feeding uranium into the process, but has not yet broken any seals applied as a result of a deal with France, Britain and Germany in Paris in November 2004.

Second Body Found in Collapsed Ky. Mine

The body of a second miner buried when the roof collapsed in a coal mine in Kentucky has been found. He was the fourth Kentucky miner to die while retreat mining - removing coal pillars that support the roof - in the past 13 months, and the 12th miner to die in the U.S. this year.

Fight Over Alaska Oil Drilling Continues

Drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) was not included in the Energy bill that President Bush just signed, but Congress will no doubt address the issue again when it resumes business next month.

Monkeypox outbreak shows smallpox vaccine works

There was a West African monkeypox outbreak in the United States in 2003, generally spread by pet prairie dogs. Three people were infected without realizing it, as they had had no symptoms. They had been vaccinated 13, 29 and 48 years ago, before vaccinations were stopped in 1972 for civilians and 1990 for the military. This shows that such vaccinations can remain effective for long periods.

Scientists release harmless gas in NY security test

The harmless, odourless and colorless gases sulphur hexafluoride and perfluorocarbon have been released in subways and streets in New York to test how gases would flow in and around the city in the event of a chemical or biological attack There will be five similar tests between now and August 26.

Hiroshima Survivors Call for Ban on Nukes,
Thousands mark Hiroshima A-bomb 60th anniversary,
Hiroshima Marks Atomic Bomb Anniversary

On the 60th anniversary of the dropping of the world's first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, survivors have renewed their call for a ban on nuclear weapons. There were protests at several nuclear-related sites around the United States. There were gatherings in Hiroshima and on Tinian Island and around the world.

Tropical Storm Irene wilts, Harvey plows on

Tropical Storm Harvey is still on the move, but not threatening land. The younger Tropical Storm Irene, meanwhile, has weakened and been demoted.


Do you feel that birds and fish are good indicators of global warming?

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization. External Websites are "At Your Own Risk," and no endorsement is expressed or implied.]

Sue [sysop in NewsForum, World Issues, All Animals forums]
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     Posted 8/16/05 9:01 PM   
troop0003000
 
From  troop0003000  Posts 1  Last 8/16/05
To  Sue N      [Msg # 110791.3 Message 110791.3 replying to 110791.1 110791.1 ]    

I just read the part about the comment the space shutle crew made about the earths atmosphere looking more damaged than usual, and it reminded me about a web page i came across when i was looking up something on magnetic poles.

  http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm

i'm not sure what part of the u.s you reside in, but i'm sure you have noticed the unusual season change that has been happening. In the past five years  here in the new jersey area we seem to go straight from winter to summer and from summer straight to winter, for a while i was under the impression that its only here in the tri state area maybe do to warmer air coming from florida. but that is not the case as i have been able to go over seas to countries on the same paralel as the U.S and its the same story.

now the whole traditional story of global warming by means of the suns heat being traped and not being able to escape might not be the reason for these weird climate changes at all.

the website above shows how the magnetic poles have been moving, and it shows a diagram of how over the years it has been moving faster and faster. the year when it started picking up speed, would also seem like the reasonable year when a lot more polution started being created. i believe in my opinion that the U.S with all the technology and the middle east with all the drilling and fabricating of raw oil are amongst the countries producing much of the polution.

now stick with me for a minute, we are all aware of the northern lights happening on a regular basis over by the north pole, that every one claims to be one of the most beautifull nature events, also i'm sure many have heard about the magnetic storms happening in the mid summer time where short wave ameture radio fanatics have been able to report radio waves as far as austrlalia being picked up in the U.S.

Well those things might not be as beautiful and as mistical as many might think. we all know that much of the pollution released into the air contains mettalic particles as well, these particles are not heavy enough where they fall to the ground, they remain air borne, and become magnetized, after wards just like the needle on a compass they get pulled towards the north pole. the colors in the northern lights affect that can be seen is nothing more than a cloud of all the metalic particles being in one spot , where they were attracted to and change colors do to the magnetics pull force that causes them to heat up from the friction they cause amongst them selfs. in a lab different mettals give off different colors when burned.

as for the magnetic storms that only seem to happen during the summer ( when its the hottest ) the same thing the metalic particles are in a magnetic flow along with the ocean wind curents helping, these metalic particles form something close to a real long antena being that its all metal and metal can conduct electricity, the short wave radio signals atach themselfes to this metalic wire and travel for as long as that current keeps those metalic particles floating.

but what all these metalic particles are actually doing once they reach the north pole region, is that they sort of create a third pole this third pole not being a fixed pole and more of a fabricated pole becomes a none oposite pole there fore pushing the fixed pole further away.

After seeing the diagram of how the north pole is changing its position, i took a flash light and fixed it on the equator line of a globe. the north and south poles form the earths axis, if the poles change than the earth will also have a different incline where the sun will hit with the same intesity for the equator line, meaning that the sun will hit a different part . so i inclined the globe according to the north poles change in position, the flash light point of focus was now hitting above the equator line, meaning that places around arizona , southern california and florida are getting the same weather that the countries by the old equator line were getting, and so on with every other state, the far northern states were now getting florida weather, so that means that the frozen parts of canada will be getting warmer.

I know this was kind of long and its not scientificaly proven but I might just be right, and waiting for sciencists to admit to something like this to be true might never happen as that will put great amounts of pressure on our so relaiable government.                 well that was my 2 cents

maybe there is someone ellse outhere that sees the same thing I do.

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     Posted 8/16/05 9:42 PM   
Sue N
 
From  Sue N  Posts 1550  Last 10/30/08
To  troop0003000      [Msg # 110791.4 Message 110791.4 replying to 110791.3 110791.3 ]    

Thanks for that web site

I knew that the poles switched from time.  I also knew that the magnetic pole moved, but no detail of how fast or in which direction. I was glad to see that the magnetic field does not vanish during a flip.

I wonder if the December 26 2004 tsunami gave it a bit of a jolt?

You think that the Northern lights are due to metallic pollution just as red sunsets are far more common because of air pollution?

Do you think that we have released enough metallic particles into the air to make any significant difference? After all, there must be a tremendous amount of iron in the inner and outer core, and the strength of the magnetic field is currently declining. What about the effect of space radiation and solar storms.?

I'm not in the U.S. so I'm not familiar with your seasonal changes. Presumably they are at least in part due to air currents.

I'd have to do a fair amount of research to come up with an educated response to your post. Have you tried mentioning your theory in the weather or science and math forums?

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.  External Websites are "At Your Own Risk," and no endorsement is expressed or implied.]

 

 

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