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* Rpt: Osama Dead Due to Typhoid?

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     Posted 9/23/06 10:04 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 7405  Last 7/7/08
To  All      [Msg # 113118.1 ]    

Rpt: Osama Dead Due to Typhoid?

There is an unconfirmed report that fugitive terrorist leader Osama bin Laden may have died.  The report has not been confirmed.  However, if Osama bin Laden has died, do you think that will have any effect upon the course of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Saturday's report apparently originated with Saudi Arabian sources, who are said to believe that the fugitive member of one of the country's most famous families died of a severe case of typhoid fever in Pakistan.

Those reports were published this morning in France's L'Est Républicain, under a banner headline declaring that "Osama bin Laden has died."

They go on to say that the founder of al-Qa'ida reportedly died last month, attributing the information to French secret service sources.  That information has not, however, been confirmed.

An official statement in Paris warned that the information was not yet confirmed, and that Minister of Defense Michèle Alliot-Marie had ordered an inquiry to determine how the report about bin Laden had been leaked to the press. 

Their report noted that whoever leaked the information might be subject to criminal charges.

Osama bin Laden, the fugitive son of one of Saudi Arabia's most prominent families, has been at the top of America's "most wanted" list since he was implicated in the 9/11 attacks on the United States.  His regular distribution of video clips have further increased public interest, as well as that of officials, in determining his whereabouts.

Speculation among intelligence organizations regarding his whereabouts has centered on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, a mountainous region long considered a "no man's land" largely beyond the reach of authorities in either country.

If Osama bin Laden has indeed succumbed to typhoid fever, he would not be the first noted person to die of that or related illnesses, which are common causes of illness and death in much of the developing world.

Typhoid fever is an infectious disease common in developing countries where sanitation is poor.  It is most often spread through contamination of food or water.  People who contract the illness usually develop high fever, often to 103 degrees Fahrenheit or higher, associated with diarrhea which often alternates with constipation.

Throughout much of the developing world, typhoid fever remains common, despite the development of vaccines.  That's due in part to the failure of older vaccines to work, in many cases; as well as to the sometimes short period of time during which they're effective.  Vaccine failures are also common, sometimes in as many as half of those vaccinated, in some study groups. 

While the disease is rare in developed countries, it's estimated that between ten and twenty million cases occur each year globally, resulting in perhaps half a million deaths or more each year. 

While the disease is rare in developed countries with good sanitation practices, deaths from the disease remain common throughout the developing world -- even in the presence of good medical and supportive care, particularly where antibiotic-resistant strains of Salmonella typhi are becoming increasingly common.

In inadequately treated or resistant cases, death may occur rapidly as a result of complications such as dehydration or peritonitis.

The disease is most often prevented by good sanitary practices and clean food and water.

It's also worth noting that typhoid is only one of a large number of diseases causing similar symptoms, and that confirmation of the disease can be done only by trained laboratory personnel.  As a result, initial reports of a death due to "typhoid fever" often turn out to have been due to other diseases, sometimes caused by related bacteria and sometimes by completely unrelated organisms.

If Osama bin Laden has died, do you think that will have any effect upon the course of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?

                             

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     Posted 9/23/06 10:24 AM   
TimR
 
From  TimR  Posts 497  Last Oct-17
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113118.2 Message 113118.2 replying to 113118.1 113118.1 ]    

>If Osama bin Laden has died, do you think that will have any effect upon the course of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?<

It really would be convenient if Osama Bin Laden died of something fairly mundane, and yes, it would have a weakening effect on Al Qaeda.  It would not diminish their threat as a military force in the short-term, but it would knock some of the appearance of divinity out of the movement. After all - He doesn't end up looking like much of a Martyr.

Osama Bin Laden would come out looking very human!

I doubt, however, it is true - Although certainly not impossible.

If it were true I would have expected some sort of public power grab by Zawahiri or others, and a contrived statement on an Al Qaeda web site about Bin Laden being transported to heaven in a Golden Chariot or something like that.

 

Tim

 


Edited 9/23/06   by  TimR
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     Posted 9/23/06 10:45 AM   
TimR
 
From  TimR  Posts 497  Last Oct-17
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113118.3 Message 113118.3 replying to 113118.1 113118.1 ]    

John,

There is another interesting point:

The news of Bin Laden's sickness and/or death is coming from Saudi sources and intercepts.

It is NOT coming from Pakistani, US, Taleban, etc sources.

My position for over three years is that Bin Laden is on the Arabian Peninsula - It may well be true.

Here is a post I made on the Jewish forum about a year and a half ago:

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People,

What really happens when Israeli and US intelligence agents get together for a beer?

How about this:

Israel- "You know Bin Laden isn't in Afghanistan don't you"?

US- "Groan - Yes we know - I have lost half of my good people over this. What the hell am I supposed to do about it?"

Israel- "Have you tried to get it to the President"?

US- "That is the big problem! I get these really bright kids, motivated, enthusiastic, and six months later when they figure out our administration doesn't CARE where Bin Laden is, they quit. They clean out their desks and start writing the great 'Tell all' book about the politicization of the CIA" 

Israel- "How about the American people"?

US-  "They have no interest either - The want to listen to 'Tobey Keith' songs, and watch Donald Belisario TV productions of great American heroes. They have not the slightest interest in who gets 'booted in the ass' as long as he is wearing a turban".

Israel- "What about the political opposition? The left-of-center Democrats"?

US- "They think terrorists are misunderstood representatives of the oppressed! The only person they want to see get 'booted in the ass' is Tobey Keith"

 

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Tim

 


Edited 9/23/06   by  TimR
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     Posted 9/23/06 11:16 AM   
TimR
 
From  TimR  Posts 497  Last Oct-17
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113118.4 Message 113118.4 replying to 113118.1 113118.1 ]    

(John - I will try not to spam on this forum, but you could understand my frustration)

Here is where Bin Laden is!


1 6/16/05   From: TimR   To: ALL
 
 

This is the best I could come up with:

Draw a triangle with one corner at Baghdad in Iraq, one corner at San'a in Yemen, and one corner at Muscat in Oman. 

Start at the center and work outwards!

(By the way - I am quite well aware that this includes small portions of Western Iran, as well as, important US allies)

 

 The important point is that Bin Laden is smart enough to know he is better off hiding in a place people do not wish to find him, than in a place is is difficult to find him.

Remember, as well, that in almost all of these places, any individual caught aiding and abetting Bin Laden would simply be killed - They aren't going to turn him in for the money!

Also, this coastal region of Iran contains Rebel Sunni strongholds and safe-houses.

 

 

 

 

 


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     Posted 9/23/06 12:33 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 7405  Last 7/7/08
To  TimR      [Msg # 113118.5 Message 113118.5 replying to 113118.4 113118.4 ]    

Thanks for your notes.  It will be interesting to see what reports come out over coming days and weeks.

This isn't the first time that Osama bin Laden's death has been repoted, as you know.  But it's always of interest, because, one day, one of the repots may prove to be correct :)

We don't know how old he is -- there are several reports about his age -- but he's believed to be around 50.  That's not old, by contemporary standards in developed nations; but it's near (or even in excess of) the average life expectancy in many parts of the world.

While Pakistan's average life expectancy is around 60, the average in neighboring Afghanistan is only in the mid-40's.  That's due to the increased prevalence of infectious and parasitic diseases, among other things; as well as the lack of adequate health care in Afghanistan.

It's a rough country.  It's a great experience visiting it, but it's not somewhere you'd want to live if you wanted to live a long time -- especially outside of Kabul.

Very best wishes,

       -  John

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.]

                           


Edited 5/8/07   by  John Linendoll
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     Posted 4/20/07 6:34 AM   
chic999777
 
From  chic999777  Posts 52  Last 5/2/07
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113118.6 Message 113118.6 replying to 113118.1 113118.1 ]    

You have to be extremely naive and uninformed in both the politics of the Middle East, and the essential workings of human nature, to think that the death of Bin Laden would have much effect on Al Queda, or that the fading of Al Queda would in any way lessen the threat of terrorism, or in any other way mitigate the extremely explosive political situation over there.

...which is slated to get worse, much worse, as their oil supply dwindles and more people in other countries are competing for less oil.  It looks as though we are now post-peak oil. Top oil geologists Danial Defeyyes and Colin Campbell believe that world oil supplies peaked in 2005, and the 8% reduction in those supplies  and the "voluntary" cuts in Saudi production would seem to underscore his points.

That oil has turned life upside down in those countries-caused massive gaps in wealth and poverty, and at the same time made it possible for these countries to experience population explosions that would not have happened were it not for the sudden access of money due to their oil. It's done the same thing to us, but while we are mildly overpopulated, the population overshoot in the Middle East is almost ludicrous and getting worse. Worse, most of the people are being born very poor , with no access to the oil wealth,  which is bound to shrink in any case.

Expect more terrorism and more war, as we slide down the slope. Expect more craziness here, too, as tens of millions of people lose their middle-class lifestyles. Another part of our naivete is thinking that we will save ourselves with biofuels and ethanal, which shows that most people out here have no idea what it takes to produce their food. Noticed the escalating price of corn? What if half the remaining farmland is diverted from food production to fuel production? Will we endure famines just to keep all the cars running?

Given how delusional, and ignorant of what side their bread is buttered on most Americans are, that is probably what will happen.

lani
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     Posted 4/20/07 8:17 AM   
marx1861
 
From  marx1861  Posts 63  Last 6/15/07
To  chic999777      [Msg # 113118.7 Message 113118.7 replying to 113118.6 113118.6 ]    

It looks as though we are now post-peak oil. Top oil geologists Danial Defeyyes and Colin Campbell believe that world oil supplies peaked in 2005, and the 8% reduction in those supplies  and the "voluntary" cuts in Saudi production would seem to underscore his points.

Someone is shilling for the American petro-brokers, because 'Peak Oil' is a wonderful concept to use to go out and war for "the control" of oil resources. So that a barrel of crude can suddenly jump from $20 to $70 to $100 a barrel, or to two, three or four hundred dollars a barrel, therefore providing exponentially expanding profits for oil companies and oil suppliers who relish the idea of having an "inelastic demand" for their gasoline. 'Peak Oil,' as writer Dave McGowan points out in his priceless Newsletters, which you can find at Educate-Yourself.org, ?Peak Oil? will even drive oil companies like Shell, to attempt to shut down an incredibly profitable facility, like the one it owns in Bakersfield, California,.


from http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=63&contentid=2819&page=2

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     Posted 5/8/07 9:45 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 7405  Last 7/7/08
To  chic999777      [Msg # 113118.8 Message 113118.8 replying to 113118.6 113118.6 ]    (Unread)

You have to be extremely naive and uninformed in both the politics of the Middle East, and the essential workings of human nature, to think that the death of Bin Laden would have much effect on Al Queda, or that the fading of Al Queda would in any way lessen the threat of terrorism, or in any other way mitigate the extremely explosive political situation over there.

Hi Lani :)

Those aren't my words, nor are they my views :)

While the death of any well-known figure will necessarily have an impact upon the society of which that person was a part, it's no better than wishful thinking to believe that the death of any one -- or any one hundred or one thousand -- person/people would curb the now ongoing terrorist threat. 

Expect more terrorism and more war....

That's an easy call, for sure <grin>  The more difficult -- and infinitely more important -- question is: How do we curb the terrorism?

You also wrote that:

  << "Given how delusional, and ignorant of what side their bread is buttered on most Americans are, that is probably what will happen." >>

That's neither a kind nor friendly view of America and Americans.  From which national perspective are you making your ultra-critical assessment?

Very best wishes,

        -  John

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.]

 

 

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     Posted 5/8/07 9:49 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 7405  Last 7/7/08
To  marx1861      [Msg # 113118.9 Message 113118.9 replying to 113118.7 113118.7 ]    (Unread)

Someone is shilling for the American petro-brokers, because 'Peak Oil' is a wonderful concept to use to go out and war for "the control" of oil resources. So that a barrel of crude can suddenly jump from $20 to $70 to $100 a barrel, or to two, three or four hundred dollars a barrel, therefore providing exponentially expanding profits for oil companies and oil suppliers who relish the idea of having an "inelastic demand" for their gasoline

And as oil now appears ready to set a new record price, what's your view of how things will proceed in Iraq and the other petroleum-rich countries of the region?

Very best wishes,

        -  John

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.]

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     Posted 10/30/07 9:18 AM   
akkikhan
 
From  akkikhan  Posts 1  Last 10/30/07
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113118.10 Message 113118.10 replying to 113118.1 113118.1 ]    (Unread)

The war in irag and afghanistan or any other country; will not end, untill George Bush gets out of the presidentship.

 

Xan

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     Posted 6/27/08 5:16 PM   
bee1064
 
From  bee1064  Posts 1  Last 6/27/08
To  All      [Msg # 113118.11 Message 113118.11 replying to 113118.1 113118.1 ]    
I don't think that it will make a differants in the wars of
Afganistan and Iraq. I do think that it will make some changes. The
terriorism by AlQ!aida has been in force all the way from after
world war one. It is all about power and money by thoses that can
not get a country to control. Modern day example Hiliary Clinton
she will do any thing for power and money. They are not in one area
of the world. They are all over. They use the news media to tell
the groups what to do. We would put the outfit into a tail spin
if we had no news. they would have no idea what is going on. But
that will never happen. So what should be going on is to put out
only good news, unless it is some thing that will be harmful to
the people. It would sure mess them up. But that will not happen
for the old democrates of america, are terriorist and they have
contol of the media and aarp. They work to contol you via the news
and they are not stupied. It works. Most of the old democrates
like Kenndy run socialism in their states to program people for
government control and the free bee progarms, which are in no way
free but you could never tell anyone from those states that. Just
put out you have something free for the first hundred people and
they will be camped out 2 days in front of your door. Thats why
terriorism will not stop for we support terriorism right here
in our government leaders and walk around so proud of it, and
we will turn over anything and every thing to government control
for the word free. Personel Greed has been refined in the
United States by our social Government. And maybe one in a 1000
might see it. Until we stop breeding terrorism it will never
die for we fund it. Just like afganistan, we are fighting a war
there and we grow poppy that funds the enemy and comes all the
way over here to our kids. That growing could be taken care of
in one season. Terror will always be here it is just to what
degree.
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     Posted 6/28/08 3:29 AM   
dustygoathead
 
From  dustygoathead  Posts 1079  Last Sep-30
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113118.12 Message 113118.12 replying to 113118.1 113118.1 ]    (Unread)

<<If Osama bin Laden has died, >>

Pretty much meaningless, till we see a head on a stick.....

Clegr difywyd ! Yrhawg bucheddu !

Caspapurau yn oes oesoedd Siswrn !!!!

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     Posted 5/24/09 1:47 PM   
TimR
 
From  TimR  Posts 497  Last Oct-17
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113118.13 Message 113118.13 replying to 113118.5 113118.5 ]    (Unread)
John,

I wanted to add that I am not 100% sure of my take on Bin Laden's location. The possibility of his hiding in East Africa is starting to seep in to my consciousness.

Of course, there is always the possibility that he will be found in a cave in tribal Afghanistan/Pakistan, which means I'm pretty much toast <g>.
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