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#1 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 8:04 AM   
Robin Garr
 
From  Robin Garr  Posts 6274  Last Jul-5
To  All      [Msg # 187894.1 ]    
Folks, please read this announcement about our forum, as it contains important news about a recent turn of events that spells a small change in our forum family. It could have posed a challenge to our future, but as things have turned out, I think you'll all agree that it's very good news.

To make a long story short, after several years of working without a contract with CompuServe, American Mensa Ltd. has asked that its name be removed from the CompuServe forum.  I cannot emphasize too strongly that there is no controversy, hard feeling or "bad blood" associated with this decision. As AML Executive Director Pam Donahoo pointed out in a letter to Mensa Forum Business Partner (Wizop) Bill Horton, Mensa's Communications Committee has decided not to pursue further contract negotiations with CompuServe because of the "significant legal and staff time" that would be needed to iron out an agreement that would be acceptable to both parties. This decision was further weighted by Mensa's separate efforts to establish American Mensa's own Web community on the American Mensa Website, http://www.us.mensa.org/.

Does this mean that the forum, online since 1990, must close?  Absolutely not! American Mensa has encouraged us to keep on doing all the things we've been doing, but without Mensa's name or sponsorship. Thankfully, CompuServe is also delighted for us to do this, so the forum will continue, with only minor changes in contents and mission, as The Intelligence Forum.

Because I am already a CompuServe contractor, business partner and Wizop of two other forums (WineLovers Community and The Genealogy Forum), I've agreed to take over the contract. Although this makes me technically the "Wiz," I have asked all the current staff members, including Bill, Dot Welch, Eva Jo, Miriam Brown and Mike "Shrineswallow," to remain on staff, and they've agreed.  I won't use the Wizop title nor assign an Assistant Wiz; I think it's more appropriate for us to continue operating as a community of peers, and we won't make policy decisions without a staff consensus and, insofar as possible, consultation with you, the regular forum members.

Very little will change. Obviously, the name of the forum will change. This change must be made on Prospero's servers, and the exact timing is out of our control, but I'm told it should happen this week.  Your old bookmarks should still work, as we're told the Mensa Forum will "redirect" to the forum.  If you prefer to use the new URL, it should be the standard CompuServe/Netscape forum address with the Webtag "Intel" ...
http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=ws-intel 
http://community.netscape.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=ws-intel
(Note: Don't set these bookmarks until the change formally occurs.)

Other small changes:
  • We have already closed the private "Inside Mensa" section, which had been available only to currently active, dues-paying Mensans.
  • We have closed the "Gatherings & SIGs" section, since it was clearly Mensa-related.
  • Shortly, we will close the About Mensa section and change its title to "Living With Giftedness," a new section that we think will provide the opportunity for some worthwhile, personal discussions about the experiences and challenges that most of us have been through in the process of living a full life in a "normal" world. We're hoping that as the first section in the forum list, this will serve as a particularly appealing front door and welcoming place for bright folks who might discover us as we go down the road and perhaps become participants in our online "family."
  • We'll continue to be welcoming to Mensans and open to cooperative efforts with American Mensa, British Mensa, International Mensa and all the other national Mensa organizations. We'll link to their Websites on request and welcome their news releases and announcements. As an independent forum, we'll also be more open to reach out to other High IQ societies like Intertel (1 percenters) and Triple Nine Society (top 99.9 percentile). If any of you are members of groups like this and would be willing to help reach out to them and invite them to provide us information and links, that would be great.
  • As time goes by, when we make changes or expand the staff, we'll now be free to tap non-Mensans; our longtime rule limiting staff status to active Mensans is hereby discarded, and I think this is a good thing, opening us up to good new ideas.
Finally, I was touched, as I think you all will be, by these words from Pam to Bill: "On behalf of the AMC, I must acknowledge the tremendous role the CompuServe Forum has played - especially in the early days - in launching Mensa's online presence. I remember vividly the AMC 'Room' on the Forum as a precursor to our current e-lists, and how vital it was to conducting business. Your efforts were also a vital recruiting tool for many years helping to inform people about Mensa. ... I hope you will understand that this change is just a part of Mensa's growth and the changing perception and responsibility involved with licensing the Mensa name."

The more things change, the more they stay the same. From the forum standpoint, little need change. We all look forward to continuing to do the good things we've been doing. 

If you have comments, suggestions or questions, we'll be happy to take them on.

Dot, Eva Jo, Miriam, Mike, Bill and Robin
Edited 1/10/06   by  Robin Garr
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     Posted 1/10/06 1:29 PM   
Bocephus
 
From  Bocephus  Posts 96  Last Nov-19
To  Robin Garr      [Msg # 187894.2 Message 187894.2 replying to 187894.1 187894.1 ]    

What a bittersweet announcement, Robin. Back in the good old days (mid to late 90s), I met two of my favorite Mensans here. At each of the last two AGs I attended, I ran into people who remembered me from those days. The Sunday conferences were great...you never knew who was going to show up.

Bocephus

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#3 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 1:49 PM   
Robin Garr
 
From  Robin Garr  Posts 6274  Last Jul-5
To  Bocephus      [Msg # 187894.3 Message 187894.3 replying to 187894.2 187894.2 ]    
Bottom line, Bo, we're hoping that not much will change!  Most of the forum staff also joined Mensa as a direct result of finding this forum first, and we'll certainly retain the informal link. 
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     Posted 1/10/06 2:01 PM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 10230  Last 9/22/07
To  Bocephus      [Msg # 187894.4 Message 187894.4 replying to 187894.2 187894.2 ]    

What a bittersweet announcement

I don't really see it that way, Bo.  Sure, those were good days, but time marches on.  Now, instead of having just one organization to have stimulating ties to, we have the full range of all the recognized high IQ societies.  It will take a while to get all our links and contacts in place, but that's the interesting thing about the current turn of events.  We get to be in on the building phase!

 

Dot

 

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.

 --Voltaire

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     Posted 1/10/06 6:03 PM   
Cole
 
From  Cole  Posts 2799  Last 12/15/08
To  Robin Garr      [Msg # 187894.5 Message 187894.5 replying to 187894.1 187894.1 ]    

>If you have comments, suggestions or questions, we'll be happy to take them on.<

Could you share why we couldn't continue as a SIG?

 

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#6 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 6:19 PM   
Robin Garr
 
From  Robin Garr  Posts 6274  Last Jul-5
To  Cole      [Msg # 187894.6 Message 187894.6 replying to 187894.5 187894.5 ]    

Cole, I don't think any of this is secret. Sure, I'll share everything I know. <g>

I really don't think the possibility of continuing as a SIG was ever on the table.  Bear in mind that AMC has its Communications Committee, formerly the Cyberspace Committee, I believe, to oversee American Mensa's online presence.  Any "official" presence of Mensa would have to be vetted by this committee, and (as I understand it), it's this committee that decided not to pursue cleaning up the long-term situation in which AML and CompuServe had failed to agree on a contract for the forum.  CompuServe has been extremely generous in allowing the forum to continue to operated on a day-to-day basis with no contract, but it hasn't been comfortable; and ultimately, the committee recommended, and AMC agreed, that it would focus Mensa's entire online presence on American Mensa's own Website.  Accordingly, they've asked that CompuServe "take the Mensa name" off of this forum.  The idea of doing an end run around the process by operating the forum as a SIG wouldn't resolve the contract issue; nor would it resolve AML's apparent intention to vest the official Mensa presence exclusively in its Website.

The funny thing about it is that this move impacts this forum a lot less than we had thought.  We continue as before, with the same participants, most of the same contents, and similar policies. We're no longer an "official" function of Mensa, but to be blunt, we've really been an orphan child for quite a few years anyway.  We can, and will, still be friends of Mensa. We will provide links to Mensa's Website (American, International, British and others).  Now we're also free to be a portal to, and offer online publicity for, Intertel, Triple Nine Society and other high-IQ associations.  We can chart our own course and host discussions about intelligence and its testing, living as upper-percentile people in a "normal" world, raising gifted children, and carry on all the issues discussions, personal relationships, puzzles, games and jokes we always have.  We don't seek to form a new, competing High IQ society but to continue very much as we have, a friendly and civil place online where smart people (self-defined) can gather to enjoy civil conversations with others similarly inclined.

I'd venture to suggest that as time goes by, this change will be all but transparent ... except that we're probably less likely to get bogged down in Mensa politics. <g>

Next question?

 

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#7 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 7:09 PM   
Caro Dane
 
From  Caro Dane  Posts 1429  Last 3/26/09
To  Robin Garr      [Msg # 187894.7 Message 187894.7 replying to 187894.3 187894.3 ]    
I posted the announcement on the Intertel list, and hope to see some of my pals from there dropping around.

Caro
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#8 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 7:11 PM   
Caro Dane
 
From  Caro Dane  Posts 1429  Last 3/26/09
To  Robin Garr      [Msg # 187894.8 Message 187894.8 replying to 187894.3 187894.3 ]    
P.S.  I now feel free to post the Intertel home page:

http://www.intertel-iq.org/

Caro
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#9 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 8:31 PM   
Cole
 
From  Cole  Posts 2799  Last 12/15/08
To  Robin Garr      [Msg # 187894.9 Message 187894.9 replying to 187894.6 187894.6 ]    
Thanks for the long and thoughful response.
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#10 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 8:43 PM   
Robin Garr
 
From  Robin Garr  Posts 6274  Last Jul-5
To  Caro Dane      [Msg # 187894.10 Message 187894.10 replying to 187894.7 187894.7 ]    
Thanks, Caro.  Please let them know that they are most welcome.

For what it's worth, we've already added hotlinks to Intertel and Triple Nine from the hotlink "cell" on the forum home page.  If anyone knows of other societies that should have equal billing, please let me know.

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#11 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 8:44 PM   
Robin Garr
 
From  Robin Garr  Posts 6274  Last Jul-5
To  Cole      [Msg # 187894.11 Message 187894.11 replying to 187894.9 187894.9 ]    
We're going to make a serious effort to err on the side of openness, Cole.  I'm not much for secrets.
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#12 of 110

     Posted 1/10/06 9:34 PM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 10230  Last 9/22/07
To  Caro Dane      [Msg # 187894.12 Message 187894.12 replying to 187894.7 187894.7 ]    

I posted the announcement on the Intertel list, and hope to see some of my pals from there dropping around.

Oh, thanks!  We hope to see participants from many of the high IQ socities, in the long run making the forum a richer place for discussion and socializing.

We all suspected there would come a day when things would change, but our greatest fear was that CompuServe would close the forum, since there hasn't been a contract since (I believe this is the correct date) 1997.  The staff has been pleasantly surprised to see that everything has come out positively, and our fears were all for naught.  It doesn't get much better than that!   We will no longer carry the Mensa name, but in the long run that means we can be more inclusive.

 

Dot

 

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.

 --Voltaire

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#13 of 110

     Posted 1/12/06 6:50 PM   
Jim Gysin
 
From  Jim Gysin  Posts 375  Last Oct-18
To  Robin Garr      [Msg # 187894.13 Message 187894.13 replying to 187894.1 187894.1 ]    

Because I am already a CompuServe contractor, business partner and Wizop of two other forums (WineLovers Community and The Genealogy Forum), I've agreed to take over the contract. Although this makes me technically the "Wiz," I have asked all the current staff members, including Bill, Dot Welch, Eva Jo, Miriam Brown and Mike "Shrineswallow," to remain on staff, and they've agreed.  I won't use the Wizop title nor assign an Assistant Wiz; I think it's more appropriate for us to continue operating as a community of peers, and we won't make policy decisions without a staff consensus and, insofar as possible, consultation with you, the regular forum members.

Even though I haven’t really been a regular here since the changeover to the web format, I do appreciate the fact that you and others behind the scenes have continued to keep this place open for business in some way, shape or form throughout a lot of tumultuous times.  Given all of the changes in the past few years, it has to have been a royal pain at times, to say the least.  I’m sure that there have been times when you’ve all felt like throwing in the towel, but you haven’t done so.  Of course, that could simply mean that you should all be re-tested, but I’ll interpret it in the more flattering sense---that you really do give an at's rass about the place.

Thanks to all of you guys and gals on the sysop roll, and look for a little something extra in your bonus checks this month!

-- Jim

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#14 of 110

     Posted 1/12/06 9:39 PM   
Robin Garr
 
From  Robin Garr  Posts 6274  Last Jul-5
To  Jim Gysin      [Msg # 187894.14 Message 187894.14 replying to 187894.13 187894.13 ]    
that you really do give an at's rass about the place.

It's twoo! It's twoo!  Now get YOUR rass back in here, you wingnut ...

Thanks to all of you guys and gals on the sysop roll, and look for a little something extra in your bonus checks this month!

Yippee!
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#15 of 110

     Posted 1/12/06 11:42 PM   
Eva J.{Sys0p}
 
From  Eva J.{Sys0p}  Posts 1326  Last Nov-16
To  Jim Gysin      [Msg # 187894.15 Message 187894.15 replying to 187894.13 187894.13 ]    

Thanks to all of you guys and gals on the sysop roll, and look for a little something extra in your bonus checks this month!

It's my pleasure, Jim, and thanks ! If that "something extra" could be in the form of a halo shine, that'd be super!  It's been a looooong time..... 

Eva Jo
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     Posted 1/13/06 1:14 AM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 10230  Last 9/22/07
To  Jim Gysin      [Msg # 187894.16 Message 187894.16 replying to 187894.13 187894.13 ]    

Thanks to all of you guys and gals on the sysop roll, and look for a little something extra in your bonus checks this month!

You know we're hooked.  We have to keep coming back for our fix.  Allowing this place to gather dust would be like running our best dealer out of town. <g>

 

Dot

 

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.

 --Voltaire

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#17 of 110

     Posted 1/13/06 4:47 PM   
Miriam B
 
From  Miriam B  Posts 2710  Last 8:10 PM
To  Jim Gysin      [Msg # 187894.17 Message 187894.17 replying to 187894.13 187894.13 ]    

Thanks to all of you guys and gals on the sysop roll, and look for a little something extra in your bonus checks this month!

How about a couple of lobsters (See my entry in Humor.)?

Miriam

How old would you be if you didn't know how old you was? - Satchel Paige
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#18 of 110

     Posted 1/18/06 12:25 PM   
Jim Gysin
 
From  Jim Gysin  Posts 375  Last Oct-18
To  Robin Garr      [Msg # 187894.18 Message 187894.18 replying to 187894.14 187894.14 ]    

It's twoo! It's twoo!  Now get YOUR rass back in here, you wingnut ...

I try.  Honest.  I still check out the RSS feeds and make sure I pop in when a subject line sounds particularly interesting.  It could get ugly, though, if they ever start feeding individual messages, rather than just the thread titles.

-- Jim

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#19 of 110

     Posted 1/18/06 12:28 PM   
Jim Gysin
 
From  Jim Gysin  Posts 375  Last Oct-18
To  Dot Welch      [Msg # 187894.19 Message 187894.19 replying to 187894.16 187894.16 ]    

You know we're hooked.  We have to keep coming back for our fix.  Allowing this place to gather dust would be like running our best dealer out of town. <g>

If I hear that Robin is tooling around town in a Lamborghini, I’ll know that this is more than just an analogy.

-- Jim

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#20 of 110

     Posted 1/18/06 12:29 PM   
Jim Gysin
 
From  Jim Gysin  Posts 375  Last Oct-18
To  Eva J.{Sys0p}      [Msg # 187894.20 Message 187894.20 replying to 187894.15 187894.15 ]    

It's my pleasure, Jim, and thanks ! If that "something extra" could be in the form of a halo shine, that'd be super!  It's been a looooong time..... 

Ulp.

-- Jim

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