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     Posted 11/10/05 3:30 PM   
Bob Mann, Administrator
 
From  Bob Mann, Administrator  Posts 2717  Last 10:13 AM
To  All      [Msg # 29772.1 ]    
I started a new page on BIwiki to discuss benchmarking.  Currently, it is only available through the index or search.  Anyone else who has contributions on this subject can add them here or directly in the wiki.

Bob Mann

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing around in boats

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     Posted 11/10/05 3:40 PM   
Lowell Herr
 
From  Lowell Herr  Posts 9662  Last 5:21 AM
To  Bob Mann, Administrator      [Msg # 29772.2 Message 29772.2 replying to 29772.1 29772.1 ]    
I started a new page on BIwiki to discuss benchmarking.  Currently, it is only available through the index or search.  Anyone else who has contributions on this subject can add them here or directly in the wiki.
Bob,

Is the Benchmarking material linked from the first or Home Page?  I assume it is the material called "Benchmarking Results."  Correct?

Lowell






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     Posted 11/10/05 4:04 PM   
Bob Mann, Administrator
 
From  Bob Mann, Administrator  Posts 2717  Last 10:13 AM
To  Lowell Herr      [Msg # 29772.3 Message 29772.3 replying to 29772.2 29772.2 ]    

Correct.

I didn't link anything because I wasn't sure how to do it.  I also figured it wouldn't hurt to get some content on the page first!

Bob Mann

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing around in boats

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     Posted 11/10/05 4:35 PM   
Lowell Herr
 
From  Lowell Herr  Posts 9662  Last 5:21 AM
To  Bob Mann, Administrator      [Msg # 29772.4 Message 29772.4 replying to 29772.3 29772.3 ]    
I didn't link anything because I wasn't sure how to do it.  I also figured it wouldn't hurt to get some content on the page first!
Bob,

I see where an automatic link is set up on the Index page when one creates a new page.  I set up a new page on Asset Allocation but cannot edit the Home Page so as to establish the proper link to the new page.  One can find it from the Index page.

Thanks for the start on Benchmarking.  Frankly, to do it properly is a real pain in the tush.  And that is why it is rarely done properly.

Lowell






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     Posted 11/17/05 9:58 PM   
ripwest
 
From  ripwest  Posts 200  Last Aug-17
To  All      [Msg # 29772.5 Message 29772.5 replying to 29772.4 29772.4 ]    
Jim Thomas suggest that we carry on a discussion of the biwiki benchmarking article here on compuserve. I agree, since the comment section of biwiki is a little cumbersome.
 
I believe it was Lowell who said.......
If a portfolio holds both stocks and bonds, does one use a benchmark such as the S&P 500?  If one wants to be accurate, the answer is no as bonds should not be compared with a stock index. 
 
I would submit it's not a question of 'accuracy' but rather of what we want to measure and compare. For instance, someone might decide that the market looks risky, and therefore allocate a certain portion of the portfolio to fixed income such as bonds. To measure the wisdom of that decision, it would be perfectly logical and 'accurate' to compare that portfolio against a stock index such as the S&P 500. In that case you are evaluation your decision to allocate a portion of your portfolio to bonds. On the other hand, if you want to evaluate your expertise in picking high cap stocks, low cap stocks, and bonds, it would make sense to compare that to an index that allocated in the same proportions.
 
Rip West
Saint Paul, MN
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     Posted 11/18/05 11:22 AM   
Jim Thomas
 
From  Jim Thomas  Posts 1762  Last Jan-21
To  ripwest      [Msg # 29772.6 Message 29772.6 replying to 29772.5 29772.5 ]    

http://biwiki.editme.com/bench is the article being discussed.

I agree with Rip.  The purpose of benchmarking is to compare alternatives.  There is nothing that says the alternatives must be "similar".

Certainly it makes sense to compare the alternatives of investing in an S&P 500 index fund vs. buying large-cap stocks individually to see if your skill (or luck!) at actively managing your own portfolio is producing an improvement over passive (index) investing.  My spreadsheet is specifically designed to help with that sort of comparison (portfolio vs. index fund).

It can also make sense to compare alternatives such as a stock/bond mix vs. 100% stocks.  However, (if 100% stocks is represented by an index) then you're not only comparing active vs. passive you're also comparing different strategies.  That's going to make it hard(er) to figure out whether it's the active part or the strategy part that's making the difference.

You could also compare alternatives such as actively investing in small stocks vs. actively investing in large stocks or commodities.  Again, you're mixing both skill/luck and strategy in such a comparison which complicates the interpretation.  Also, my spreadsheet will be no help at all with doing that (comparing two actively managed portfolios).

And, of course, benchmarking can only tell you what would have happened in the past.  It says nothing about whether or not something similar will happen again in the future.

-Jim Thomas
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