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Security Concerns

How do you secure your WiFi? (If you ...

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Dan in Saint Louis
by :   Dan in Saint Louis
12/1/08

votes :   9
Latest :   12/25/08
The poll has closed
How do you secure your WiFi? (If you have one!)
WEP, and I've never been invaded
   
4 votes (44%)
WEP, and I've been invaded
   
0 votes (0%)
WPA, and I've never been invaded
   
5 votes (56%)
WPA, and I've been invaded
   
0 votes (0%)
What security?
   
0 votes (0%)
None of the above
   
0 votes (0%)

#2 of 13

     Posted 12/1/08 10:47 PM   
Mase
 
From  Mase  Posts 61  Last 10:37 AM
To  Dan in Saint Louis      [Msg # 192723.2 Message 192723.2 replying to 192723.1 192723.1 ]    
On my two networks, I use WPA and MAC filtering.  So far so good.
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     Posted 12/2/08 2:05 AM   
Karl
 
From  Karl  Posts 75  Last Nov-20
To  Dan in Saint Louis      [Msg # 192723.3 Message 192723.3 replying to 192723.1 192723.1 ]    

I use WEP, mainly because some old equipment doesn't support WPA, but I live in the country, and someone would either have to use a directional high gain antenna, because I can't receive the signal at the boundaries of my property.

Karl

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     Posted 12/2/08 9:36 AM   
Peter Creasey
 
From  Peter Creasey  Posts 938  Last 6:55 PM
To  Dan in Saint Louis      [Msg # 192723.4 Message 192723.4 replying to 192723.1 192723.1 ]    

       I'm not even sure what security is used with my fiber optic DSL service with hardware firewall.  I assume it is WEP.

       In any case, there has never been a problem that I'm aware of.

. . . . . . . .  Pete


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     Posted 12/2/08 10:41 AM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Peter Creasey      [Msg # 192723.5 Message 192723.5 replying to 192723.4 192723.4 ]    

Peter:

Wep/Wpa refer to the WIRELESS connection from the Router instaled locally, not the ISP connection.  Firewalls have no bearing on Wireless connections...

Do you use Wireless with your systems?

 

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     Posted 12/2/08 10:46 AM   
Peter Creasey
 
From  Peter Creasey  Posts 938  Last 6:55 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 192723.6 Message 192723.6 replying to 192723.5 192723.5 ]    
>>   Wep/Wpa refer to the WIRELESS connection from the Router instaled locally, not the ISP connection.    <<

Dale,   The point I was trying to make is the wireless setup we use is provided by the fiber optic DSL provider (AT&T); thus, I believe the security is part of what they provide also.

. . . . . . .  Pete


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     Posted 12/2/08 10:52 AM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Peter Creasey      [Msg # 192723.7 Message 192723.7 replying to 192723.6 192723.6 ]    

I doubt that is really the case.  ISP's may supply a Router and that may also include Wireless, however the ISP does not configure the Wireless side, the customer does...

Are you using Wireless at your location?  If not, I recommend going into the Router configuration and disabling it.  That guarantees thw Wireless connection is "secure" as nobody can then use it...

 

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     Posted 12/2/08 11:28 AM   
Peter Creasey
 
From  Peter Creasey  Posts 938  Last 6:55 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 192723.8 Message 192723.8 replying to 192723.7 192723.7 ]    
>>   ISP's may supply a Router and that may also include Wireless, however the ISP does not configure the Wireless side, the customer does...   <<

Dale,   Yes, we use wireless.

       AT&T (the network provider) provides the router, encryption code, etc., etc. so this is the security, presumably WEP.

       (I must be missing something in our dialogue!?!)

. . . . . . .  Pete


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     Posted 12/2/08 12:01 PM   
groucho
 
From  groucho  Posts 1329  Last 8:01 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 192723.9 Message 192723.9 replying to 192723.7 192723.7 ]    

For maybe two years now, a number of major DSL providers have been shipping their "routers" preconfigured with WEP enabled, and the installation CD will set it up during the initial set-up. Normally the default password is the serial number of the unit--not totally clever, but much better than nothing.

 

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     Posted 12/2/08 1:04 PM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Peter Creasey      [Msg # 192723.10 Message 192723.10 replying to 192723.8 192723.8 ]    

>>(I must be missing something in our dialogue!?!)

Yep, the entire concept of how Wireless security works, I believe.  The Router is user configured for Wireless Security, it's not configured by the ISP.  Wireless routers default to having the Wireless ENABLED, however that is also UNSECURED - nothing is configured by default.  The user needs to open a Browser and sccess the Router configuration and enable Security...

If you have not done that, I will waher you are using an UNSECURED Wireless connection, meaning that anyone within range can use the Internet connection.  Not good.  The reason?  Should they do something "ugly', the ISP will come after YOU as you are the "person of record" on the account...

Wireless keys need to be UNIQUE, not some "generic one that is common knowledge" - the whole purpose of Wireless security is to limit access to connectins authorized by you...

When you connect wirelessly for the first time, are you asked for a code?  I doubt that is happening, meaning the Wireless connection is "open to anyone within range"...

 

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     Posted 12/2/08 1:08 PM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  groucho      [Msg # 192723.11 Message 192723.11 replying to 192723.9 192723.9 ]    

>> the installation CD will set it up

Not possible.  Router firmware doesn't enable configuring like that.  Think about why - that would be very simple for malware to duplicate and take over the Router...

Install CD's are the first thing I throw away.  All those silly things do is pollute the PC with frills and gunk.  No way I will allow that to happen on my watch...

 

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     Posted 12/2/08 2:05 PM   
Peter Creasey
 
From  Peter Creasey  Posts 938  Last 6:55 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 192723.12 Message 192723.12 replying to 192723.10 192723.10 ]    
>>   When you connect wirelessly for the first time, are you asked for a code?  I doubt that is happening, meaning the Wireless connection is "open to anyone within range"...   <<

Dale,   Yes, definitely!  My network is definitely secured.

       And whenever anyone visits who want use our wireless network with their PCs they have to enter the encryption code for my router/portal in order to gain access.

. . . . . . .  Pete


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     Posted 12/3/08 10:22 AM   
groucho
 
From  groucho  Posts 1329  Last 8:01 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 192723.13 Message 192723.13 replying to 192723.11 192723.11 ]    

Dale?

 "Not possible.  Router firmware doesn't enable configuring like that."

Router firmware has nothing to do with this. When you sign up for a DSL account, you can't just plug in the box and connect. You need to either run a configuration program, or manually configure the router. The only thing the firmware is supplying during the routine, is the serial number of the router, as a way to generate a unique name for it.

And I'm telling you, it is not only possible but I have twice used "out of the box" DSL routers where the setup CD defaulted to setting up WEP, and naming the connection itself with its serial number--which it found all by itself. No, it didn't use that for the password, itprompts the user to make one up, and even comes with a card where the user can write it down.

Throwing out the installation CD may or may not make your life any easier, but with some ISPs if you do not run the configuration software--they won't help you do a manual configuration either. (Nice folks.)

For MOST USERS, who are home users with near zero security skills, the change from automatically installing NOTHING to automatically having the user configure WEP, is a good idea. Not the best--but better than what they were doing before.

 

 

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