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Wizop Tom Sims
by :   Wizop Tom Sims
9/26/07

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Latest :   Dec-18
Q: What has been most instrumental and formative in your religious views?






#2 of 20

     Posted 9/26/07 4:19 PM   
Wizop Tom Sims
 
From  Wizop Tom Sims  Posts 3770  Last 7/6/09
To  All      [Msg # 163807.2 Message 163807.2 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    
Do any of these fit your experience?
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#3 of 20

     Posted 9/26/07 4:47 PM   
Isaiah1eighteen
 
From  Isaiah1eighteen  Posts 2263  Last 3/30/09
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.3 Message 163807.3 replying to 163807.2 163807.2 ]    

Do any of these fit your experience?   <<<

I voted Tom, because one of them did fit my experience.

I feel my selection may show me out to be a rare commodity for the reason...

Edited: My assuming I am a commodity anyway...LOL

Shalom,
Isaiah

Edited 9/26/07   by  Isaiah1eighteen
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     Posted 9/26/07 5:35 PM   
Mark Mc
 
From  Mark Mc  Posts 12159  Last 6:35 AM
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.4 Message 163807.4 replying to 163807.2 163807.2 ]    
>>>Do any of these fit your experience?<<<

Choice number 2.


Mark
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#5 of 20

     Posted 9/26/07 6:49 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 11794  Last 12:08 PM
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.5 Message 163807.5 replying to 163807.2 163807.2 ]    

>>> Do any of these fit your experience? <<<

I seem to lack the belief-in-god gene, as I cannot remember believing even when young.    I chose the Reading/study option, since that's where my opinions about religions come from.

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#6 of 20

     Posted 9/26/07 7:44 PM   
George A.[Staff]
 
From  George A.[Staff]  Posts 24758  Last 11/21/08
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.6 Message 163807.6 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    
Door #2, Tom.

I too seem to lack the "god gene."  I faked it as long as I could to keep everyone around me happy, but it never seemed to have an intrinsic interest for me.  There were times when I seemed to have convinced myself, but it was always temporary and the doubts would return.


The typical lawmaker of today is a man devoid of principle—a mere counter in a grotesque and knavish game. If the right pressure could be applied to him he would be cheerfully in favor of polygamy, astrology, or cannibalism.
Henry Louis Mencken
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     Posted 9/26/07 10:25 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19509  Last 9:53 AM
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.7 Message 163807.7 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    

Tom, I would say that the following three items were instrumental the development of my religious views.
Family/culture
Reading/study
Search for truth

However, you didn’t give me the choice of “A combination of the above,” so you really made me think about which one was the most instrumental.

After much contemplation, I would say the time I spent with Mark Borg was the most instrumental, and his method of teaching was reading, study, and discussion.

So, my answer is the same as George’s, Mark’s, and Patricia’s. #2. Being as I once again have a child in diapers let me clarify what I mean by #2, Reading/study is my answer.

Come to think of it, reading, studying, and discussion are the reasons I visit this forum several times a day.

Thanks for posting the poll this week, truth be told, I wasn’t able to come up with an idea for a poll that I thought was up to par for the members of this forum.

 

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#8 of 20

     Posted 9/26/07 11:21 PM   
Sleepy
 
From  Sleepy  Posts 912  Last 8/10/09
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.8 Message 163807.8 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    
For me it was a conversion experience that got me started in reading the bible.
As a teenager something was always nawing on my brain, I thought it was just the pressure around me to become a priest since I was raised Catholic. But I resisted as I did not want to be a priest. I even stopped going to church for a couple of years.
The nawing continued and that's when I challenged God in what he wanted and that's when he showed me a vision that lasted about 10 seconds. I spent the next 20 years trying to interpret the meaning of the vision and trying to grow as a Christian. I went on a hiatus for the last several years as religion has been driving me crazy
 I just want to live my life and mind my own business.
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#9 of 20

     Posted 9/27/07 8:18 AM   
Henry Neufeld
 
From  Henry Neufeld  Posts 1210  Last 2:06 PM
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.9 Message 163807.9 replying to 163807.2 163807.2 ]    
Tom,

I checked "reading/study" even though there was also a good deal of "family/culture" setting the background for that reading and study.  I gave serious consideration to a number of other views and stayed outside any church for quite a number of years.  When I joined a Christian church again, it was United Methodist, rather than my family's Seventh-day Adventist, a substantial cultural difference.  I'm also a bit of an independent spirit even for Methodists.

I could cite all of the others as having serious involvement, with the exception of catastrophic events.  I've had two experiences which might be considered the type that would change one's perspective, and neither did.

The first was an experience in winter in the Blue Mountains of eastern Washington.  I was almost certain I was going to die, and it occurred to me to pray.  But as this was during my time outside the church, it occurred to me at the same time that to suddenly start praying because I was freezing to death would be the height of hypocrisy.  I take that as a challenge to the "no atheists in foxholes" theory.

The second was the death of our son, which often changes one's religious perspective, but again in my case it did not result in any revolutionary changes.  My theology is much the same now as it was before the experience.

I have had experiences that were revolutionary, but they were within the context of my overall faith, i.e. they changed the direction of my life.  One of those led indirectly to my getting married for the first time at age 42.

Henry
Energion Publications

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#10 of 20

     Posted 9/27/07 8:35 AM   
Bishop10435
 
From  Bishop10435  Posts 9155  Last Nov-26
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.10 Message 163807.10 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    

Q: What has been most instrumental and formative in your religious views?
Family/culture
Reading/study
Religious training
Defining moment
Search for truth
Conversion experience
Catostrophic event
>>>>>>>

What a thought provoking question! I want to say "All of the above". You did say "most" instrumental, and I am finding it difficult to choose which one was MOST instrumental.I could write a paragraph about each one but then the post would be truncated and I just detest it when I do that <s)

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#11 of 20

     Posted 9/27/07 1:14 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 11794  Last 12:08 PM
To  Henry Neufeld      [Msg # 163807.11 Message 163807.11 replying to 163807.9 163807.9 ]    

>>> I'm also a bit of an independent spirit even for Methodists. <<<

You've been hanging around with those overly-subtle Brits again, haven't you?  <G>

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#12 of 20

     Posted 10/1/07 11:26 PM   
Chaya
 
From  Chaya  Posts 10672  Last Jan-19
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.12 Message 163807.12 replying to 163807.2 163807.2 ]    

A great poll for the home page.

 

Chaya
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#13 of 20

     Posted 10/2/07 3:07 PM   
Wizop Tom Sims
 
From  Wizop Tom Sims  Posts 3770  Last 7/6/09
To  Chaya      [Msg # 163807.13 Message 163807.13 replying to 163807.12 163807.12 ]    
Thanks. There has been some great discussion/answers. I have not had time to respond to the wonderful messages, but I have read them.

- Tom
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#14 of 20

     Posted 10/3/07 12:14 AM   
Dominic
 
From  Dominic  Posts 1558  Last 4:33 PM
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.14 Message 163807.14 replying to 163807.2 163807.2 ]    

What has been most instrumental and formative in your religious views?

In order of impact: 1. defining moment (Viet Nam War) 2. search for truth 3. reading/study 4. family/culture 5. religious training 6. conversion experience.
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     Posted 10/4/07 7:59 PM   
Chris Purdum
 
From  Chris Purdum  Posts 1371  Last 3:51 PM
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.15 Message 163807.15 replying to 163807.2 163807.2 ]    
I voted for Reading/Study although my family had a big influence as well.  They always encouraged asking questions, which of course leads to more reading and studying.

---
Chris Purdum
www.stragglyrs.com

“There are two ways to live your life - one is as though nothing is a miracle, the other is as though everything is a miracle."
-- Albert Einstein


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#16 of 20

     Posted 10/7/07 2:48 PM   
Johnny Bigodes
 
From  Johnny Bigodes  Posts 338  Last Nov-11
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.16 Message 163807.16 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    
I wanted to say "Search for truth," but the thing that made me first believe in the Bible was my mother's faith. Then my search for truth had a track to run on.





"The blessing of Jehovah-that is what makes rich, and he adds no pain with it." - Proverbs 10:22
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#17 of 20

     Posted 10/28/07 4:12 PM   
Noel
 
From  Noel  Posts 8251  Last 9/25/08
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.17 Message 163807.17 replying to 163807.2 163807.2 ]    
<< Do any of these fit your experience? >>

I went with #2, reading and studying.  I should probably say learning in a broader sense, since I learn from more than just books, but #2 seemed close enough for rock and roll, and I have read quite a bit that has shaped my (non-)religious views.

- Noel

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     Posted 10/29/07 11:44 PM   
Dave W
 
From  Dave W  Posts 1604  Last 2:01 PM
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.18 Message 163807.18 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    
SF<<last one. Well when you lose your parents that's something but when your child fights for several months, it gives you a lot of time to form a deeper understanding about what is important and what isn't
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#19 of 20

     Posted 1/20/08 12:03 AM   
Gareebee
 
From  Gareebee  Posts 614  Last Feb-1
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.19 Message 163807.19 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    
I voted for #5.

I started off Catholic, but was convinced there was no God by my atheist big brother when I was 12. He was killed in a one-car accident when he was 19 (had a lead foot), and it was the event that jarred us all into looking once again at the "big question". My siblings and my mother became born-again Christians shortly after this event, but I was never able to make the leap. I searched for "the meaning of life". I tried to be a Baha'i for 20 years, as that seemed to make much more sense, but finally gave up and settled into what I am, which is agnostic. Perhaps I too do not have the God-belief gene, I don't know. I finally learned to stop asking the question. It's not what I hoped for, but, there it is. If there's anything beyond the grave, i guess I will find out.



>>>>I have a good memory. It's just short.<<<<

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     Posted 5/19/08 8:14 PM   
jaelmatt
 
From  jaelmatt  Posts 5  Last Oct-9
To  Wizop Tom Sims      [Msg # 163807.20 Message 163807.20 replying to 163807.1 163807.1 ]    
I chose reading and studying first and search for the truth second, and third would be the example of family members who followed the example of Christ Jesus in how he loved God with his whole heart , and mind, and how he loved his neighbors. Seeing the success ( I mean peace of mind and peace of life) of imitating the Christ verses those who live in opposition to his message has made a great impression.
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