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Is Obama the Anti-Christ?

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#1 of 112

     Posted Sep-21 4:57 AM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 18095  Last 12:27 PM
To  All      [Msg # 168144.1 ]    
A recent poll performed by the Public Policy Polling company found that 8% of the people who live in NJ believe that Obama is the Anti-Christ.  Another 13% of NJ residents were not sure if Obama was or wasn't the Anti-Christ.    Link to New Jersey Obama Approval Poll   Page 3, question # 11.

It's not a new idea -- in November 2008, Newsweek ran an article asking a similar question (ARTICLE LINK).  And rightwing Christian blogs are full of the idea.


How would you answer if someone conducting a poll were to ask you this question? 


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     Posted Sep-21 7:47 AM   
Roy
 
From  Roy  Posts 1289  Last 2:19 PM
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.2 Message 168144.2 replying to 168144.1 168144.1 ]    

Mel

A recent poll perform by the Public Policy Polling company found that 8% of the people who live in NJ believe that Obama is the Anti-Christ. 

Another 13% of NJ residents were not sure if Obama was or wasn't the Anti-Christ.

How would you answer if someone conducting a poll were to ask you this question?
 

How about "What kind of a stupid f***ing  question is that?"

Because it is a seriously  stupid f***ing question.

Although, on reflection, it has at least established that 21% of the population of New Jersey are clinically insane, which is probably a good thing to know for those thinking of visiting New Jersey.

I wonder what the results would be if they ran the same poll in AL or GA



 

Roy

London, UK

 

To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.
--Isaac Asimov, "On Religiosity," Free Inquiry

 

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     Posted Sep-21 9:26 AM   
Gary Z
 
From  Gary Z  Posts 10998  Last 8:24 AM
To  Roy      [Msg # 168144.3 Message 168144.3 replying to 168144.2 168144.2 ]    
Roy:
»»Mel:   A recent poll perform by the Public Policy Polling company found that 8% of the people who live in NJ believe that Obama is the Anti-Christ. 

»»    Another 13% of NJ residents were not sure if Obama was or wasn't the Anti-Christ.

»»    How would you answer if someone conducting a poll were to ask you this question? 

»»You:    How about "What kind of a stupid f***ing  question is that?"

»»     Because it is a seriously  stupid f***ing question.

»»     Although, on reflection, it has at least established that 21% of the population of New Jersey are clinically insane, which is probably a good thing to know for those thinking of visiting New Jersey.

»»     I wonder what the results would be if they ran the same poll in AL or GA

What Roy wrote.
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     Posted Sep-21 1:43 PM   
Zivatar
 
From  Zivatar  Posts 963  Last 10:56 AM
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.4 Message 168144.4 replying to 168144.1 168144.1 ]    
>How would you answer if someone conducting a poll were to ask you this question?  <

I'd try to answer "yes, definitely" or as close as the pollster would allow.  The more support that anti-Obama fundies think they have, the more motivated they'll be, and the greater the chance of overreaction by TVPCC.
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     Posted Sep-21 2:19 PM   
Patricia O. [Stàff]
 
From  Patricia O. [Stàff]  Posts 11174  Last 12:47 PM
To  Zivatar      [Msg # 168144.5 Message 168144.5 replying to 168144.4 168144.4 ]    
>>> I'd try to answer "yes, definitely" or as close as the pollster would allow.  <<<
You're just a contrarian at heart, huh?
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     Posted Sep-21 3:03 PM   
Irv & Shoshana Feldman
 
From  Irv & Shoshana Feldman  Posts 4004  Last Nov-20
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.6 Message 168144.6 replying to 168144.1 168144.1 ]    
<A recent poll performed by the Public Policy Polling company found that 8% of the people who live in NJ believe that Obama is the Anti-Christ.  Another 13% of NJ residents were not sure if Obama was or wasn't the Anti-Christ.    Link to New Jersey Obama Approval Poll   Page 3, question # 11.

It's not a new idea -- in November 2008, Newsweek ran an article asking a similar question (ARTICLE LINK).  And rightwing Christian blogs are full of the idea.


How would you answer if someone conducting a poll were to ask you this question? >

Frankly, I could care less if he was the anti-J. He has proved himself to be antisemitic in my view. Could that qualify him to be the anti-J? I guess it would depend on whether you consider J to have been Jew.

Irv
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     Posted Sep-21 3:27 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 18095  Last 12:27 PM
To  Irv & Shoshana Feldman      [Msg # 168144.7 Message 168144.7 replying to 168144.6 168144.6 ]    

>>Frankly, I could care less if he was the anti-J.<<

How much less could you care?

Or, to put it differently, your sentence reads that you do care, so how much do you care?


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     Posted Sep-21 8:56 PM   
Zivatar
 
From  Zivatar  Posts 963  Last 10:56 AM
To  Patricia O. [Stàff]      [Msg # 168144.8 Message 168144.8 replying to 168144.5 168144.5 ]    
>You're just a contrarian at heart, huh?<

Not really.  I just prefer to see people think ill of Obama.  It's kinda like when I was campaigning for Bobby Kennedy in cracker areas of Indiana.  When people told me that they liked Kennedy because he could put the N****** in their place, but McCarthy couldn't, I didn't disagree with 'em.
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     Posted Sep-21 9:39 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1379  Last Nov-20
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.9 Message 168144.9 replying to 168144.1 168144.1 ]    

>>A recent poll performed by the Public Policy Polling company found that 8% of the people who live in NJ believe that Obama is the Anti-Christ. Another 13% of NJ residents were not sure if Obama was or wasn't the Anti-Christ. Link to New Jersey Obama Approval Poll Page 3, question # 11.<<

After picking myself up off the floor, I would tell her that I don’t think that Barack and I resent the question.

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     Posted Sep-21 9:45 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 18095  Last 12:27 PM
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168144.10 Message 168144.10 replying to 168144.9 168144.9 ]    

>>After picking myself up off the floor, I would tell her that I don’t think that Barack and I resent the question.<<

How do you know if Obama would resent the question?

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#11 of 112

     Posted Sep-21 9:48 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1379  Last Nov-20
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.11 Message 168144.11 replying to 168144.10 168144.10 ]    

>>How do you know if Obama would resent the question?<<

I hope I don’t sound snippy here, but I really don’t care if Barack resents it, I do. First, I don’t believe in an anti Christ, and secondly, I don’t think we need to feed the nuts, which is what we are talking about here. Yes, saying that Obama is more than just a President, is nuts.

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     Posted Sep-21 10:01 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 18095  Last 12:27 PM
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168144.12 Message 168144.12 replying to 168144.11 168144.11 ]    

You: >>After picking myself up off the floor, I would tell her that I don’t think that Barack and I resent the question.<<

Mel: >How do you know if Obama would resent the question?<

You: I hope I don’t sound snippy here, but I really don’t care if Barack resents it, I do.

Then why would you tell her, "I don’t think that Barack and I resent the question."?

1) Why speak for Obama?
2) I'm confused, would you or would you not resent the question?

Am I reading words, " I don’t think that Barack and I resent the question" incorrectly?

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     Posted Sep-21 10:26 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1379  Last Nov-20
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.13 Message 168144.13 replying to 168144.12 168144.12 ]    

>>Am I reading words, " I don’t think that Barack and I resent the question" incorrectly?<<

I was trying to multi task, listen to my husband, Keith and typing. Guess I my fingers don’t listen to my brain. I resent it, but I don’t think Barack cares. I just find the reaction to Barack bizarre. I didn’t expect everyone to love him, but I just don’t get this kind of reaction.

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     Posted Sep-21 10:39 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 18095  Last 12:27 PM
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168144.14 Message 168144.14 replying to 168144.13 168144.13 ]    

>> I just find the reaction to Barack bizarre. I didn’t expect everyone to love him, but I just don’t get this kind of reaction.<<

It's the year 2009, Christ is just around the corner, and before He returns the anti-Christ needs to appear.  It's in the Christian Bible, don't ya know?

Last month I had a couple of Mormon missionaries tell me that the anti-Christ is a big topic with most they (the missionaries) speak with each day.  One person they spoke with, so I am told, believed oatmeal was the anti-Christ.  i don't get that one.

Here is what the Christian Bible says about the anti-Christ.
Rev. 13: 11-18


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     Posted Sep-21 10:41 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1379  Last Nov-20
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.15 Message 168144.15 replying to 168144.14 168144.14 ]    

>>It's the year 2009, Christ is just around the corner, and before He returns the anti-Christ needs to appear. It's in the Christian Bible, don't ya know?<<

No, this Jewish girl doesn’t know. How is the anti Christ different than the Satan?

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     Posted Sep-21 10:48 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 18095  Last 12:27 PM
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168144.16 Message 168144.16 replying to 168144.15 168144.15 ]    

>>How is the anti Christ different than the Satan?<<

Questions like this are what caused Chaya to realize just how different the beliefs are among the different Christian sects.

The answer is yes, no, maybe, sometimes.  It's depends on which type of Christian you ask.  I would say most the time the answer is yes. 

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     Posted Sep-21 10:54 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1379  Last Nov-20
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.17 Message 168144.17 replying to 168144.16 168144.16 ]    

>>Questions like this are what caused Chaya to realize just how different the beliefs are among the different Christian sects.

The answer is yes, no, maybe, sometimes. It's depends on which type of Christian you ask. I would say most the time the answer is yes. <<

I know that the sects are very different, but actually, the streams of Judaism have differences too, but I think we agree on the basics like G-d created the earth, there is only one G-d, we have 613 Mitzvot etc.

How are they different? In Judaism the Satan is an angel who’s job is a prosecutor, and forget about being “fallen.” The evil inclination is built into each of us, along with the inclination to be good.

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     Posted Sep-21 11:07 PM   
Gary Z
 
From  Gary Z  Posts 10998  Last 8:24 AM
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168144.18 Message 168144.18 replying to 168144.13 168144.13 ]    
Toby:
»»    I just find the reaction to Barack bizarre. I didn’t expect everyone to love him, but I just don’t get this kind of reaction.

I agree.  I don't understand it.  So far, he seems to be doing a fairly good job; the anger he generates seems completely out of proportion to anything he's done.  It's simply irrational.
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     Posted Sep-21 11:10 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1379  Last Nov-20
To  Gary Z      [Msg # 168144.19 Message 168144.19 replying to 168144.18 168144.18 ]    

>>I agree. I don't understand it. So far, he seems to be doing a fairly good job; the anger he generates seems completely out of proportion to anything he's done. It's simply irrational.<<

It isn’t as if he attacks people or call people who disagree with him traitors etc. Here is a Dad, with two darling daughters, and he can’t do anything right according to them. Me, I am happy with him, and he is a nice guy.

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     Posted Sep-22 7:07 AM   
Sysop Chris Eyre
 
From  Sysop Chris Eyre  Posts 10981  Last 12:07 PM
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168144.20 Message 168144.20 replying to 168144.1 168144.1 ]    

M>> How would you answer if someone conducting a poll were to ask you this question? 

Bl**dy silly questions demand bl**dy silly replies, so:-

"Can't be, that was George Bush II", or

"Where's the camera?", or

"Is that a pale horse behind you?", or

"Just wait there while I ring for an ambulance".

For those with the ideas that (1) Revelation contains prophecy and (2) it hasn't already happened and (3) prophecy can actually be used to predict something rather than being realised to apply well after the event (I'm being kind there) it's tempting to play with interpreting the text and ascribe the term "Antichrist" to anyone who seems to have a lot of popular support and who you disagree with very strongly (hence my first suggested answer <g>). The better they look, the better the tag fits, as well (OK, so I was obviously wrong with my first suggestion <g>).

You can play this as a parlour game - take a random well-known and popular person, and try to fit the text to them. For a while, the best fit I got out of that exercise was Mother Teresa of Calcutta, but any pope you care to mention goes down well with Northern Ireland Protestants. If nothing else, that exercise should convince you that it's pointless trying to do it, and just a bit of idle amusement.


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