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#1 of 32

     Posted Jul-25 10:40 AM   
tomascini
 
From  tomascini  Posts 2058  Last Nov-15
To  All      [Msg # 172465.1 ]    

The subject of transgender is being discussed more openly than in the past. But is it real?

Doctors speculate that there is a biological foundation to gender identity, but no one has determined what in the biological makeup determines that gender. The interactions between personality and culture also contribute to identity, said Chris Kraft, clinical director at the Johns Hopkins Sexual Behaviors Consultation Unit.

I would like to ask, is there really a phenomenon such as 'Being Born in the Wrong Body', or is it all some silly hoax perpetrated by people wanting to gain attention towards themselves?

LOVE Always!


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     Posted Jul-25 1:01 PM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 5220  Last 2:45 PM
To  tomascini      [Msg # 172465.2 Message 172465.2 replying to 172465.1 172465.1 ]    
I'd like to throw the subject out: Is there really a phenomenon such as 'Being Born in the Wrong Body'? or is it all some silly hoax perpretrated by people wanting to gather attention towards them.

As hard as it is for me to imagine what it must be like to be "born in the wrong body," I have to believe it's not just a hoax.  I know a transgendered woman and was around throughout the transition.  I knew "him" slightly but got to know him/her better during the time that he had to inform his employer of his transition and try to work out his relationship with his wife and adult daughter.  Then he started living as she.  Transgendered people planning reassignment surgery must live for a year as the chosen sex, and sometimes things like use of public restrooms can get awkward.

The surgery is long and difficult -- not the sort of thing you'd expect anyone to do just to get attention.  Recovery is usually painful, but eventually there comes the day that the patient has recovered and takes his/her position in the world as the chosen sex.  I've been told that if the surgery is fully successful, even a sex partner can't detect the difference ... and yes, the transitioned person can have an orgasm!

The ones of us who have agreement between the inner and outer body should feel fortunate.  I think there must be a lot of heartache is working through a gender assignment problem.

Dot

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain.

  --Anonymous

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     Posted Jul-26 11:38 AM   
tomascini
 
From  tomascini  Posts 2058  Last Nov-15
To  Dot Welch      [Msg # 172465.3 Message 172465.3 replying to 172465.2 172465.2 ]    
But wouldn't the burden be a bit hard for the parents to bear? I mean, how does one go about relating such a situation to his/her parents?

LOVE Always!

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     Posted Jul-26 12:10 PM   
Marty
 
From  Marty  Posts 2873  Last 1:02 PM
To  tomascini      [Msg # 172465.4 Message 172465.4 replying to 172465.1 172465.1 ]    

All my life i have felt i was born in the wrong body.  I was supposed to be born in a body that's 6'2, 175 lbs, athletic, six pack abs, and a full head of hair.

Marty

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     Posted Jul-26 1:51 PM   
echo2drs
 
From  echo2drs  Posts 80  Last Nov-17
To  tomascini      [Msg # 172465.5 Message 172465.5 replying to 172465.1 172465.1 ]    

>>or is it all some silly hoax perpretrated by people wanting to gather attention towards them.<<

I don't think so. No matter our gender, we still have hormones of the opposite sex within us. Imo, I think these opposite hormones are somehow acting on the thinking process of the mind.
Now there are people who do outrageous things to draw attention to themselves, but I don't think a true trangendered person is doing that at all.
It must be awful to see the gender of your outside, when it doesn't match the gender of your inside.

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     Posted Jul-26 7:40 PM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 5220  Last 2:45 PM
To  tomascini      [Msg # 172465.6 Message 172465.6 replying to 172465.3 172465.3 ]    
But wouldn't the burden be a bit hard for the parents to bear? I mean, how does one go about relating such a situation to his/her parents?

It's hard for the parents to bear only if they choose to have it that way.  It's the responsibility of the parents to come to grips with reality just as much as the transsexual person had to work through his/her own reality.  Parents can't expect their children to live a life of misery just to make the parents happy.  If they feel that way, then they have failed miserably as parents.  Parents who care want their children to be happy.  If gender reassignment is necessary for happiness, parents who care will be supportive.

Dot

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain.

  --Anonymous

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     Posted Jul-26 10:29 PM   
Marty
 
From  Marty  Posts 2873  Last 1:02 PM
To  Dot Welch      [Msg # 172465.7 Message 172465.7 replying to 172465.6 172465.6 ]    

>> Parents can't expect their children to live a life of misery just to make the parents happy.  If they feel that way, then they have failed miserably as parents.  Parents who care want their children to be happy.  If gender reassignment is necessary for happiness, parents who care will be supportive. <<

As they should be if the issue is homosexuality, marrying outside of the religion, converting to another religion, not having children, moving to another country.....etc.

We cannot determine the course of our lives by what makes our parents happy or upset.

I know one person who was a man and became a woman.  She happens to be a huge woman, over 6 feet, and not especially dainty.  But she has the expression of a woman, the body movements of a woman, and if you didn't know she was once a man, you would not realize it.  I am impressed with her courage in making the change and staying in the same job and same community.  It has to be tough.

Marty

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#8 of 32

     Posted Jul-26 10:42 PM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 5220  Last 2:45 PM
To  Marty      [Msg # 172465.8 Message 172465.8 replying to 172465.7 172465.7 ]    
Marty, it appears that you and I are in total agreement on the whole issue of sexual orientation and gender assignment.  Fear of some sort seems to keep the general public from relaxing and accepting people as they are.  Some try to put a religious face on their refusal to accept others, but in doing so, they violate more religious precepts.

Dot

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain.

  --Anonymous

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     Posted Jul-28 6:12 PM   
tomascini
 
From  tomascini  Posts 2058  Last Nov-15
To  Marty      [Msg # 172465.9 Message 172465.9 replying to 172465.4 172465.4 ]    
All my life i have felt i was born in the wrong body.  I was supposed to be born in a body that's 6'2, 175 lbs, athletic, six pack abs, and a full head of hair.

Yeah, me too ... along with one billion obsese humans out there.

LOVE Always!

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     Posted Jul-28 6:16 PM   
tomascini
 
From  tomascini  Posts 2058  Last Nov-15
To  echo2drs      [Msg # 172465.10 Message 172465.10 replying to 172465.5 172465.5 ]    
Now there are people who do outrageous things to draw attention to themselves, but I don't think a true trangendered person is doing that at all.
It must be awful to see the gender of your outside, when it doesn't match the gender of your inside.

Yeah, like Dennis Rodman, right?

LOVE Always!

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#11 of 32

     Posted Jul-28 6:20 PM   
tomascini
 
From  tomascini  Posts 2058  Last Nov-15
To  Dot Welch      [Msg # 172465.11 Message 172465.11 replying to 172465.6 172465.6 ]    
It's hard for the parents to bear only if they choose to have it that way.  It's the responsibility of the parents to come to grips with reality just as much as the transsexual person had to work through his/her own reality.  Parents can't expect their children to live a life of misery just to make the parents happy.  If they feel that way, then they have failed miserably as parents.  Parents who care want their children to be happy.  If gender reassignment is necessary for happiness, parents who care will be supportive.

It's easy saying that, but you realise that is hardly ever the norm with most parents out there. It's like you coming back home from college with news that you'd gotten pregnant ... or worse, that you've contracted HIV/AIDS.

How would you go about setting the parent's mind at reast regarding what their child wants regarding his/her sex?

LOVE Always!

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     Posted Jul-28 6:37 PM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 5220  Last 2:45 PM
To  tomascini      [Msg # 172465.12 Message 172465.12 replying to 172465.11 172465.11 ]    
How would you go about setting the parent's mind at reast regarding what their child wants regarding his/her sex?

I would leave that to a mental health professional to have at least a counseling session with the parents, then therapy if necessary.  However, I would expect that the transgendered child (probably an adult child) would have had discussions with the parents all along, explaining why s/he felt the need to undergo gender reassignment.  This cannot have come as a total surprise to the parents, as they must have observed their child throughout his/her developmental years and known that something about biological gender and expressed behavior didn't match.  If the parents loved the child more than they feared what the neighbors thought, they would be open to learning what the child was going through helping to resolve the problem in any way they could.

Dot

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain.

  --Anonymous

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     Posted Jul-28 9:21 PM   
echo2drs
 
From  echo2drs  Posts 80  Last Nov-17
To  tomascini      [Msg # 172465.13 Message 172465.13 replying to 172465.10 172465.10 ]    

>>Yeah, like Dennis Rodman, right?<<

Yep, but I'd mug him for some of the pretty jewelry he wears.

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     Posted Jul-28 9:55 PM   
Marty
 
From  Marty  Posts 2873  Last 1:02 PM
To  Dot Welch      [Msg # 172465.14 Message 172465.14 replying to 172465.12 172465.12 ]    

>>I would leave that to a mental health professional to have at least a counseling session with the parents, then therapy if necessary.  However, I would expect that the transgendered child (probably an adult child) would have had discussions with the parents all along, explaining why s/he felt the need to undergo gender reassignment.  This cannot have come as a total surprise to the parents, as they must have observed their child throughout his/her developmental years and known that something about biological gender and expressed behavior didn't match.  If the parents loved the child more than they feared what the neighbors thought, they would be open to learning what the child was going through helping to resolve the problem in any way they could.<<

Gee, Dot, that's a really great response, and very thorough.  I think you have captured the essence of parental struggle with concern about what others might think compared to their own child's happiness.  I think it is sometimes hard for parents to come to terms with some of their children;'s choices that they see as unusual.  But i also believe most of them eventually come around to acceptance.  Therapy is a good idea to speed that process.

Marty

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     Posted Jul-29 2:34 AM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 5220  Last 2:45 PM
To  Marty      [Msg # 172465.15 Message 172465.15 replying to 172465.14 172465.14 ]    
Gee, Dot, that's a really great response, and very thorough.

Thanks, Marty.  Coming from you, the way you generally have such insight, I consider it a high compliment.  I sometimes wonder if there are some things that are easier to analyze by those of us who don't have children and thus are not as emotionally close to the issue.

Dot

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain.

  --Anonymous

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     Posted Jul-29 12:25 PM   
*teri*
 
From  *teri*  Posts 24699  Last 5:13 PM
To  Dot Welch      [Msg # 172465.16 Message 172465.16 replying to 172465.15 172465.15 ]    

 sometimes wonder if there are some things that are easier to analyze by those of us who don't have children and thus are not as emotionally close to the issue.>>

I think that may very well be true in many instances Dot. It's the 'can't see the forest for the trees', thing. I know I have done it, but one thing I've always had is a knack for surrounding myself with a good support system. And if none of them can be helpful, I'm good at finding someone who is.  Parents shouldn't be afraid to ask for help, not just for their kids sake, but for their own sanity.

 

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     Posted Jul-29 1:47 PM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 5220  Last 2:45 PM
To  *teri*      [Msg # 172465.17 Message 172465.17 replying to 172465.16 172465.16 ]    
Parents shouldn't be afraid to ask for help, not just for their kids sake, but for their own sanity.

Change "Parents" to "People."  There's too much pressure to act like you can handle everything that comes your way, without any help.  That's nonsense!

If something goes wrong with my house lighting, I'm not embarrassed to call an electrician.  The same if all my plumbing goes haywire.  I call a plumber.  So what's wrong with getting help when personal issues go wrong in your life?  No one can know how to fix everything, which is why we have experts.

Dot

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain.

  --Anonymous


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     Posted Jul-29 10:42 PM   
Marty
 
From  Marty  Posts 2873  Last 1:02 PM
To  Dot Welch      [Msg # 172465.18 Message 172465.18 replying to 172465.17 172465.17 ]    

>>If something goes wrong with my house lighting, I'm not embarrassed to call an electrician.  The same if all my plumbing goes haywire.  I call a plumber.  So what's wrong with getting help when personal issues go wrong in your life?  No one can know how to fix everything, which is why we have experts <<

 

That;s what governor Spitzer said.

Marty

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     Posted Jul-29 11:21 PM   
Dot Welch
 
From  Dot Welch  Posts 5220  Last 2:45 PM
To  Marty      [Msg # 172465.19 Message 172465.19 replying to 172465.18 172465.18 ]    
That;s what governor Spitzer said.

He's a pretty good example of personal issues going wrong.

Dot

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain.

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     Posted Jul-30 5:35 PM   
Marty
 
From  Marty  Posts 2873  Last 1:02 PM
To  Dot Welch      [Msg # 172465.20 Message 172465.20 replying to 172465.19 172465.19 ]    

>>He's a pretty good example of personal issues going wrong ...<<

 

And paying a professional for treatment.  He should have talked to you before he resigned. He could have said..."But, it's like calling a plumber or an electrician"

 

Marty

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