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A Moral Imperative

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#1 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 9:24 PM   
Tobster E [Wizoptress]
 
From  Tobster E [Wizoptress]  Posts 7201  Last Feb-8
To  All      [Msg # 147240.1 ]    
Above all issues on the reform of health care insurance, is the moral issue.  As people fight to destroy Barack Obama by derailing health care reform, they are also complicit in the deaths of 45,000 people a year, Americans, who die because they lack this vital insurance. Here is the latest report from Harvard University:

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No health coverage tied to 45,000 deaths a year

Tally rises from previous estimates of about 18,000 annually, study says

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#2 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 9:41 PM   
CEMJr
 
From  CEMJr  Posts 1340  Last 7:37 AM
To  Tobster E [Wizoptress]      [Msg # 147240.2 Message 147240.2 replying to 147240.1 147240.1 ]    

Toby-->>As people fight to destroy Barack Obama by derailing health care reform, they are also complicit in the deaths of 45,000 people a year, Americans, who die because they lack this vital insurance.

Strange that you rail against those who do not believe that the Democrat's plans are the way to do reform but do not rail against the Democrat's plans that you should view as morally deficit.

 


Edited Sep-17   by  CEMJr
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#3 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 9:46 PM   
Tobster E [Wizoptress]
 
From  Tobster E [Wizoptress]  Posts 7201  Last Feb-8
To  CEMJr      [Msg # 147240.3 Message 147240.3 replying to 147240.2 147240.2 ]    

So, what are your plans to solve the problems. Either put up or shut up!!! I am tired of you attacking when you have no suggestions. The status quo is killing 45,000 Americans a year, and yes, this is a moral issue.

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#4 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 9:49 PM   
Jim1
 
From  Jim1  Posts 1920  Last Dec-12
To  CEMJr      [Msg # 147240.4 Message 147240.4 replying to 147240.2 147240.2 ]    
<<Strange that you rail against those who do not believe that the Democrat's plans are the way to do reform but do not rail against the Democrat's plans that you should view as morally deficit.  >>

There are 45,000 Americans dying.   

They're dead.  Gone.  

And you utter the words "morally deficit"?


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#5 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:01 PM   
CEMJr
 
From  CEMJr  Posts 1340  Last 7:37 AM
To  Tobster E [Wizoptress]      [Msg # 147240.5 Message 147240.5 replying to 147240.3 147240.3 ]    

And the Democrats have the moral high ground as they take 4 years to change the situation(and that is assuming the plans actually work)?

 

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#6 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:03 PM   
Tobster E [Wizoptress]
 
From  Tobster E [Wizoptress]  Posts 7201  Last Feb-8
To  CEMJr      [Msg # 147240.6 Message 147240.6 replying to 147240.5 147240.5 ]    

Put up or shut up. What are your plans?

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#7 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:05 PM   
Jim1
 
From  Jim1  Posts 1920  Last Dec-12
To  CEMJr      [Msg # 147240.7 Message 147240.7 replying to 147240.5 147240.5 ]    

Where do you stand?

from "The Huffington Post":

Media Matters catches Republican Congressman Phil Gingrey (Georgia) in a pretty insensitive moment during a speech on the floor of the House. At one point during his long speech railing against health care reform, Gingrey found the idea amusing that 14,000 Americans losing their health insurance every day constituted some kind of health care crisis:

14,000 people are losing their health insurance every day NOT because of the cost of health insurance [laughs], they're losing it because they lost their job!


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#8 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:07 PM   
CEMJr
 
From  CEMJr  Posts 1340  Last 7:37 AM
To  Jim1      [Msg # 147240.8 Message 147240.8 replying to 147240.4 147240.4 ]    

Jim1-->>And you utter the words "morally deficit"?

I am not the one who intimated that it is moral imperative to cover the uninsured.  Just merely surprised that those who view reform as a moral imperative are not railing at Democratic plans that would take 4 years to cover the uninsured.

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#9 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:10 PM   
Tobster E [Wizoptress]
 
From  Tobster E [Wizoptress]  Posts 7201  Last Feb-8
To  CEMJr      [Msg # 147240.9 Message 147240.9 replying to 147240.8 147240.8 ]    

What is your plan? You have none, you are just against people living. Give up your VA socialist insurance.

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#11 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:28 PM   
CEMJr
 
From  CEMJr  Posts 1340  Last 7:37 AM
To  Tobster E [Wizoptress]      [Msg # 147240.11 Message 147240.11 replying to 147240.9 147240.9 ]    

As Democrats on this forum like to crow, you are the ones who have won 2 congressional elections for control of Congress and one election for the presidency, the deaths are on your hands and for the years to come even if your reforms pass.

 

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#12 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:31 PM   
Tobster E [Wizoptress]
 
From  Tobster E [Wizoptress]  Posts 7201  Last Feb-8
To  CEMJr      [Msg # 147240.12 Message 147240.12 replying to 147240.11 147240.11 ]    

What is your plan? You have none, and you will fight any plan that anyone else comes up with. You are responsible for deaths in the future. You will be held accountable for those deaths, Carl. Give up your socialized VA medical plan. You don’t believe in communal responsibility, so we have none for you.

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#14 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:36 PM   
CEMJr
 
From  CEMJr  Posts 1340  Last 7:37 AM
To  Tobster E [Wizoptress]      [Msg # 147240.14 Message 147240.14 replying to 147240.12 147240.12 ]    

Toby-->>You are responsible for deaths in the future.

Not in the least, responsibility is a function of authority.  It is up to Democrats to explain why these 45,000 deaths will be happening even with the reforms.

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#15 of 70

     Posted Sep-17 10:40 PM   
Tobster E [Wizoptress]
 
From  Tobster E [Wizoptress]  Posts 7201  Last Feb-8
To  CEMJr      [Msg # 147240.15 Message 147240.15 replying to 147240.14 147240.14 ]    

Where is your plan, or the Republican Plan since you don’t like the Democratic plan. You have no plan, you have no thoughts, you don’t care about anything but defeating the Democrats and Obama, and you don’t care how many innocent people die in your plan. Tssskkkkkkkk, you are really a NO person.

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