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#1 of 9

     Posted 10/7/08 12:31 PM   
Ted C Hall (SysOp)
 
From  Ted C Hall (SysOp)  Posts 5644  Last 4/22/09
To  All      [Msg # 42368.1 ]    

I've been trying to come up with an updated "what one has to believe" list... just in time to save you all from my painful effort, Mike Williamson did it better than I ever could have... so here's his list...


It's amazing what one has to believe
to believe in gun control


by Michael Z. Williamson

KeepAndBearArms.com — It's amazing what one has to believe to believe in gun control:


That guns are the real cause of crime, but we will blame and jail the owner of said gun for the crime, even if the owner wasn't the person involved.

That a mugger will kill you in the half-second it takes to draw from the holster, but won't harm you while you dial 911 on your cell phone, talk to the dispatcher and wait half an hour for the cops to arrive.

That gun control works, which is why there are no illegal weapons in Northern Ireland or Beirut.

That the Second Amendment only applies to flintlocks, just as the First Amendment only applies to quills and lead type.

That the proper response to an attack is to call the police, but only unarmed police, because "Violence never settles anything."

That it's wrong to make snide, sexist comments about women, unless the comments are about women who own guns.

That a gun with an 11 round magazine is dangerous, but a gun with fifteen 10 round magazines is much safer.

That a hijacker could easily take a gun away from a pilot, but the hundreds of passengers aboard would then be unable to take the gun away from the hijacker.

That if there'd been a gun aboard American Airlines Flight 11, someone could have been hurt.

That rapists prefer to attack armed women so they can take the guns and use them against the victims.

That 1 firearm owner in 10,000 will commit an act of violence in his or her lifetime, and this is far more frightening than the 25% of drivers who will cause a serious or fatal accident.

That you should rely on police in lieu of your gun, just as you should rely on a dentist in lieu of your toothbrush.

That car keys, umbrellas and hairspray are good tools for self-defense, despite the fact that police continue to carry guns.

That Washington DC's low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, but Arlington, Virginia's high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is attributable to the lack of gun control.

That the depressed and emotionally disturbed should not be allowed to own guns that shoot bullets with 250 ft-lbs of energy, but should be allowed to own 4000 lb cars with 1,136,000 ft-lbs of energy (at 65 mph).

That "assault weapons" are "very powerful" but big game hunters oddly prefer .30-06s and .375 H&Hs.

That we should outlaw bullet proof vests so criminals can't use them, and private citizens should be then proud to be killed in the crossfire, knowing they are doing their part for society.

That among the hundreds of documented cases against anti-gun freaks we note that: the press secretary of Handgun Control was arrested in DC for discharging an illegal handgun, a ranking regional officer of the Million Moron March was convicted of felony assault, and other Million Morons in Colorado have been arrested for attacking firearm dealers and activists, but "gun nuts" are "obsessed with violence."

That the laws against specifically named weapons have been found unconstitutional, that the laws against "types" of weapons have been considered vague, that the laws against cosmetic features are easy to comply with and still produce the identical mechanism, and that laws against particular mechanisms are unconstitutional is an indication of the "obsessiveness" of firearms enthusiasts to do what they enjoy doing, against the wishes of the narrow minded prudes who wish to stop them, and not an indication of the obsessiveness of the ignorant paranoids who fear them.

That NASA, the military, physiologists, anatomists and trainers all agree and Olympic scores confirm that men on average have tremendously more upper body strength than women, but women should try to defend themselves with martial arts and not a gun. 

That it's terrible when police officers plant weapons on a suspect to enable them to make an arrest, but we should have tougher laws against weapons and trust the police not to abuse them in this way.

That police arriving at 80mph are a better way to stop criminals than bullets arriving at 800mph.

That people buy guns as "substitute penises," because they know that only people with small penises ever get attacked by criminals.

That Hitler and Stalin didn't disarm citizens, only Jews, Gypsies, gays, unionists and other "undesirables." (Yes, a liberal member of the MMM actually said this
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Ted C Hall
Republican/History/Weather/Crime/Debate This!
"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." - George Washington

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     Posted 10/8/08 11:27 PM   
Cass, Sysop
 
From  Cass, Sysop  Posts 6866  Last Nov-20
To  Ted C Hall (SysOp)      [Msg # 42368.2 Message 42368.2 replying to 42368.1 42368.1 ]    
Good Goddess Herself, he worked overtime on this.  Beautiful!

>
That people buy guns as "substitute penises," because they know that only people with small penises ever get attacked by criminals.

Er... nevermind.

>
That women are just as intelligent and capable as men, but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen."

I do enjoy our local gun stores, they don't talk down to me, or make assumptions.  Or have the gall to look surprised.  The patrons are another matter, but the employees are awesome.

>
That guns are the gravest threat to society because 83,000,000 gun owners didn't commit a crime yesterday.

A stunning figure when you think about it.

>
That a woman shooting a rapist is a felon.

I call that justice.

>
That there's no contradiction in the same liberals who said in the 60s that 18 year olds who could fight should be able to vote, now saying that 18 year olds can vote but shouldn't own guns.

But they can go to war.

What a list.  This is a keeper.


Cass

De oppresso liber.
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     Posted 11/18/08 3:21 PM   
Ted C Hall (SysOp)
 
From  Ted C Hall (SysOp)  Posts 5644  Last 4/22/09
To  Cass, Sysop      [Msg # 42368.3 Message 42368.3 replying to 42368.2 42368.2 ]    
>>he worked overtime on this.  Beautiful!
<<

He's something special...

THIS is my writer friend that went back into uniform and to the sandbox because he felt the kids would have a better chance with experienced leadership in the field...

His SciFi is terrific too...<VBG>

I ran across this again while searching to see If I'd ever posted an essay I'd written on liberty...

Since I can't find it with Search or Google I guess I'd better finish it and post it...<VBG>


Ted C Hall
Republican/History/Weather/Crime/Debate This!
"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." - George Washington

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     Posted 11/20/08 1:16 AM   
Cass, Sysop
 
From  Cass, Sysop  Posts 6866  Last Nov-20
To  Ted C Hall (SysOp)      [Msg # 42368.4 Message 42368.4 replying to 42368.3 42368.3 ]    
>His SciFi is terrific too...<VBG>

Yep, excellent.

Have you been watching the video interviews of the mil scifi authors on Blackfive, well worth the time.

Cass

De oppresso liber.
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life wrote a blank check Made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life." That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
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     Posted 11/20/08 8:42 PM   
Ted C Hall (SysOp)
 
From  Ted C Hall (SysOp)  Posts 5644  Last 4/22/09
To  Cass, Sysop      [Msg # 42368.5 Message 42368.5 replying to 42368.4 42368.4 ]    
>>well worth the time<<

Yepper, loved viewing the folks that I usually only see on their jacket pictures...

Getting to rub elbows with some of my favorites for years over in SciFi Lit has spoiled me a little...

Mike e-mailing me to ask if I wanted an autographed copy of the MISPRINTED slipcover version of "Better to Beg Forgiveness" last year was unexpected... I'd talked to him about something a few years before and didn't even know he'd kept my address<VBG>

Having the slipcover with his name misspelled and autographed with a private joke included is kinda special...

I'm going to get some of his blades eventually... even though one of my friends here makes legendary blades carrying on his family business...  always room for another blade in the collection!!!<G>



Ted C Hall
Republican/History/Weather/Crime/Debate This!
"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." - George Washington

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     Posted 11/21/08 9:29 PM   
Cass, Sysop
 
From  Cass, Sysop  Posts 6866  Last Nov-20
To  Ted C Hall (SysOp)      [Msg # 42368.6 Message 42368.6 replying to 42368.5 42368.5 ]    
>Mike e-mailing me to ask if I wanted an autographed copy of the MISPRINTED slipcover version of "Better to Beg Forgiveness" last year was unexpected... I'd talked to him about something a few years before and didn't even know he'd kept my address<VBG>

I've got some autogrphed stuff from David Drake and Eric Flint, awesome authors.  Still going for John Ringo.  Then for my happy times readings, Rye got me and ENTIRE set of autographed Dark hunter vamp novels from Sherilyn Kenyon and Robert Doherty (the pen name of Bob Mayer) for the Area 51 series.  Very happy! 

Forgot I've got Mike Yon's books autographed as well!


Cass

De oppresso liber.
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life wrote a blank check Made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life." That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
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Edited 11/21/08   by  Cass, Sysop
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     Posted 11/21/08 10:01 PM   
Ted C Hall (SysOp)
 
From  Ted C Hall (SysOp)  Posts 5644  Last 4/22/09
To  Cass, Sysop      [Msg # 42368.7 Message 42368.7 replying to 42368.6 42368.6 ]    
>>Forgot I've got Mike Yon's books autographed as well!<<

I don't have many autographed books... but I've been lucky enough to have talked with the authors instead of standing in line for a 15 second scribble<VBG>

That might reflect badly on the authors come to think of it... or I just got lucky with finding them in between public time and downtime...<VBG>


Ted C Hall
Republican/History/Weather/Crime/Debate This!
"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." - George Washington

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     Posted 11/21/08 10:42 PM   
Cass, Sysop
 
From  Cass, Sysop  Posts 6866  Last Nov-20
To  Ted C Hall (SysOp)      [Msg # 42368.8 Message 42368.8 replying to 42368.7 42368.7 ]    
>I don't have many autographed books... but I've been lucky enough to have talked with the authors instead of standing in line for a 15 second scribble<VBG>

I just email them and strike up a conversation.


Cass

De oppresso liber.
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life wrote a blank check Made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life." That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
--
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     Posted 11/21/08 11:17 PM   
Ted C Hall (SysOp)
 
From  Ted C Hall (SysOp)  Posts 5644  Last 4/22/09
To  Cass, Sysop      [Msg # 42368.9 Message 42368.9 replying to 42368.8 42368.8 ]    
>>I just email them and strike up a conversation.<<

That works pretty well too...

I spend too much time reading, and probably not enough time IRL... <VBG>


Ted C Hall
Republican/History/Weather/Crime/Debate This!
"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." - George Washington

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