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Review: Zodiac

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#1 of 7

     Posted 3/3/07 5:47 PM   
Harveycritic
 
From  Harveycritic  Posts 1637  Last Jan-30
To  All      [Msg # 22243.1 ]    

ZODIAC

Reviewed by Harvey S. Karten
Paramount Pictures
Grade: B+
Directed by: David Fincher
Written By: James Vanderbilt, book by Robert Graysmith
Cast: Jake Gyllenhaal, Robert Downey Jr., Mark Ruffalo, Anthony Edwards
Screened at: AMC Empire, NYC, 3/3/07
Opens: March 2, 2007

Strange thing about criminals. Some are arrested and convicted ten times for everything from shoplifting to murder. Others commit murder up to ten times and are never caught. Son of Sam, for example, got caught on about his seventh murder, and he could have gotten away with that one too if he didn’t slip up in a particularly stupid way involving his car. A killer who called himself Zodiac killed about ten times and was never arrested despite considerable circumstantial evidence against one particular guy, because the powers that be on the side of the law thought they had an insubstantial case to present to a jury. On top of that, Zodiac successfully taunted the police and a trio of newspapers with notes, using his own handwriting and a code that was actually deciphered. Still no dice. Nor can the prime suspect in a case that was proven at least to my satisfaction in David Fincher’s new movie, “Zodiac,” based on Robert Graysmith’s painfully researched book (now out in paperback for $7.99), ever be called to justice. He died years back of natural causes.

The story of the Zodiac killer, adapted for the screen by James Vanderbilt, is an unusual combination of art and commerce in that for the most part the film intricately and with integrity weaves a plethora of detail into a web of intrigue while at the same time providing some breathless moments of suspense and action. Fincher, whose reputation for stories of depravity is well established from his well crafted, intelligently written “Seven” (a detective, before retiring, stumbles onto the trail of a serial killer determined to punish perpetrators of the seven deadly sins), and “Fight Club” (an office worker with a dull job finds unexpected release by joining a violent group dedicated to bare-knuckle battles), plays upon his specialties by dealing with violence, obsession, and the need for release. Morever, like his previous works, Fincher’s film is intelligent, well crafted, and splendidly detailed. He gets fine performances from actors displaying a wide range of personal characteristics.

Jake Gyllenhaal, for example, is cast in the role of Robert Graysmith, a shy cartoonist for the San Francisco Chronicle, his plodding personality in direct opposition from that of the flamboyant Paul Avery (Robert Downey, Jr.). While Graysmith is to turn into a writer, tracking down clues to solve a case of serial killing, Avery’s life will dissipate into one of drinking, drugs, and trailer-park seclusion.

Filmed by Harris Savides in HD to accentuate San Francisco of the 1970s as a twilight area, “Zodiac” opens on July 4, 1969 with the shooting execution of two young people in a lovers’ lane, followed by notes sent to three newspapers, including the Chronicle, which included a cipher, demanding publication lest more murders follow. The papers accede, but the killings go on, the next occurring by knife against a couple several miles away in Napa.

While Avery and Graysmith pursue the case, homicide inspector Dave Toschi (Mark Ruffalo) and Inspector William Armstrong (Anthony Edwards) are in charge for the police, but little headway is made despite the evidence left by Zodiac, who is so hungry for attention that he sets up a telephone meeting with hotshot lawyer Melvin Belli (Brian Cox), taking place on a TV talk show. Largely as a result of Graysmith’s work with the evidence, the police are led to suspect a former teacher dismissed for sexual contact with his youngsters, Arthur Leigh Allen (John Carroll Lynch), who Graysmith becomes convinced for the next decade or more is the man they want.

Among the merits of the film is the respect given to the transition of time, from the sixties to the nineties, most dramatically shown by the stop-frame construction of the Transamerica Building. There is little humor offered, though one might be amused at first by the looks of a bespectacled Chloe Sevigny on a first date with Graysmith, a woman who is to become his second wife and later to leave him when he becomes totally obsessed with the case. Also amusing is the fright that Graysmith gets when in the creepy home of a movie projectionist whom he suspects is connected to the Zodiac killings.

Jake Gyllenhaal carries out his part quite well, at first as foil to the flamboyant Downey, then as the central focus, while the entire ensemble, particularly Mark Ruffalo looking quite seventies with his curly hair, turn out convincing work as denizens of the Bay State some thirty-five years past.

Rated R. 156 minutes 2007 by Harvey Karten
Member: NY Film Critics Online

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     Posted 3/4/07 8:02 AM   
DonTom
 
From  DonTom  Posts 24  Last 6/27/09
To  Harveycritic      [Msg # 22243.2 Message 22243.2 replying to 22243.1 22243.1 ]    
"A killer who called himself Zodiac killed about ten times and was never arrested despite considerable circumstantial evidence against one particular guy, because the powers that be on the side of the law thought they had an insubstantial case to present to a jury."

I was in the Central Highland Jungles of Vietnam when all that happened (a very good alibi <g>), but I was born in San Francisco and lived in this area all of my life.

I only heard about this well after I got out of the army and I had no idea that they ever even had  had a suspect. I am interested in knowing what type of circumstantial evidence they had against that "particular guy".

Take your time with a reply. I am leaving for Hong Kong in a few hours, but I will probably be back on line in a few days or so (from Hong Kong).

                                                                      -Don-  (in S.  San Francisco)
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     Posted 3/6/07 12:34 PM   
Harveycritic
 
From  Harveycritic  Posts 1637  Last Jan-30
To  DonTom      [Msg # 22243.3 Message 22243.3 replying to 22243.2 22243.2 ]    

Don,

Leigh Allen was present at Lake Berrysessa at the time of the 1971 murder. His car had a bloody knife which he said was used to kill chickens.

He claimed that "The Most Dangerous Game" was his favorite movie, and that was the one that was mentioned in his cipher.

Weapons and explosives were found in his home.

Harvey

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     Posted 3/6/07 12:56 PM   
DonTom
 
From  DonTom  Posts 24  Last 6/27/09
To  Harveycritic      [Msg # 22243.4 Message 22243.4 replying to 22243.3 22243.3 ]    
"Leigh Allen was present at Lake Berrysessa at the time of the 1971 murder. His car had a bloody knife which he said was used to kill chickens."

In 1971, couldn't they at least test to see if that blood was human?

"Weapons and explosives were found in his home."

Where was his home?   How did Lake Berrysessa get mentioned here? Were not all the victims in SF?  And how were they killed? I was thinking they were shot. But like I said, I was in the army when all that was happening and I never got the entire story.

                                  -Don- (now in Sheung Wan, Hong Kong)

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     Posted 3/23/07 7:27 PM   
rufnek43
 
From  rufnek43  Posts 37  Last Dec-2
To  Harveycritic      [Msg # 22243.5 Message 22243.5 replying to 22243.3 22243.3 ]    
I remember reading or hearing somewhere that a couple of people who knew Allen also said he had told them some years before about contemplating killing people and identifying himself as Zodiac.
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     Posted 3/23/07 7:50 PM   
rufnek43
 
From  rufnek43  Posts 37  Last Dec-2
To  Harveycritic      [Msg # 22243.6 Message 22243.6 replying to 22243.1 22243.1 ]    

"Fincher, whose reputation for stories of depravity is well established from his well crafted, intelligently written 'Seven'"

Okay, Harvey, maybe you can help me see the light on this. I didn't like "Seven" because of what I considered to be the weak logic behind the murders. Supposedly the series of murders were well planned around the the concept of the seven original sins and took a period of years to commit. At least that was the explanation given in the film for the "sloth" victim--that he had been bedridden for years, slowly dying.

Yet the final killing--of the killer himself--depends upon a moment of rage by the young detective who just happened to be assigned as partner to Morgan Freedman's older detective just as the killings begin to come to light. So what if someone else had been assigned as Freedman's partner. Or if the older detective had investigated the crimes alone. What if the younger detective hadn't been such a hothead? Or if he had been single with no pregnant wife to be murdered to drive him over the edge to execute the killer? Shoot, what if the delivery truck had been late in delivering the packaged head? Or if it couldn't find the address (who provides an "address" to a radio tower on a dirt trail in the desert anyway)? What if Freedman had convinced the young detective to forego personal revenge and let the law take its course?

Then the killing in anger would not have occurred, leaving the killer facing trial for six murders, which have spoiled all of his plans and the very purpose (whatever that was) of his sick plot. I mean, it just doesn't make sense for the killer to hatch out such an elaborate plot and pursue it all that time just to have the last detail hinge on a chain of circumstances that might not even take place! Here he has controlled every other aspect of the previous killings, observing and evaluating his victims well in advance, only to have no control over the final act that is supposed to give it all meaning. I mean, the killer needed a better guarantee than that. After all, he was crazy, not stupid.

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     Posted 3/23/07 9:20 PM   
berk4babe
 
From  berk4babe  Posts 309  Last 7/31/09
To  Harveycritic      [Msg # 22243.7 Message 22243.7 replying to 22243.3 22243.3 ]    

I remember the Zodiac Killer, we used to scare eachother during hide and seek talking about the Zodiac Killer.  I never heard anything about Lake Berryessa. 

As a child my family  went there quite a bit.  In fact , I almost drowned in that lake around 1971.  I was only 8yrs old  so.....that's my alibi.  Did Leigh Allen live

near Lake Berryessa or  in San Francisco?   Kinda creepy to think how many times we were up at the lake, coulda ended up one of his victims.

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