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#1 of 93

     Posted 3/1/05 8:34 AM   
Cathy
 
From  Cathy  Posts 14  Last 7/25/07
To  All      [Msg # 27812.1 ]    
What is the strangest thing you've encountered personally or witnessed at airport security?

TSA Bans Something New From Airplanes


If you're flying, leave your lighter at home. The policy, which will be fully enforced by the Transportation Security Administration starting April 14, prohibits all lighters from airports and onboard aircraft. The action is in response to a provision in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bush.

The new policy adds lighters to the Prohibited Items List and forbids passengers from carrying all lighters on their person or carry-on luggage. In a news release announcing the move, the TSA says it is "closing a potential vulnerability in air travel security." All lighters will be banned from areas beyond security checkpoints at airports, including butane, absorbed-fuel (Zippo-type), electric/battery-powered, and novelty lighters.

In addition, lighters are prohibited from being stowed in checked baggage, since the Department of Transportation classifies them as hazardous materials.

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#2 of 93

     Posted 3/1/05 9:28 AM   
kabcon
 
From  kabcon  Posts 1  Last 3/1/05
To  Cathy      [Msg # 27812.2 Message 27812.2 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    (Unread)
I'm a flight attendant for a major U.S. carrier. Soon after 9/11, my crew and I were walking thru security and witnessed a passenger
in a heated arguement with the TSA personnal about whether or not he could bring his chain saw on as carry-on luggage!
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#3 of 93

     Posted 3/1/05 10:49 AM   
douglasrbenner
 
From  douglasrbenner  Posts 1  Last 3/1/05
To  Cathy      [Msg # 27812.3 Message 27812.3 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    (Unread)
This past Christmas, I saw a family denied boarding because their 6-year-old son was on TSA's watch list.  I didn't think he looked very scary, although his father tells me he can throw quite a tantrum.
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#4 of 93

     Posted 3/1/05 10:51 AM   
tomglegal
 
From  tomglegal  Posts 1  Last 3/8/05
To  Cathy      [Msg # 27812.4 Message 27812.4 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    (Unread)
It was not banned.  But I had  on my key chain a little wrench that looked like a crescent wrench.  It was about 2 inches long, just a little longer than a key.  It was given to me by my son for Christmas.  I thought it was a cute reminder of him.  I was doing a lot of traveling right after 9/11.  I would put my keys in my briefcase.  I would not have a problem with it in there except when I went through one airport.  Only, in this one airport did I have a problem no where else.  The scanner took my keys and went to a supervisor and asked if the wrench was a problem.  The supervisor took one look at it and said it was not a problem.  It would happen every time I went through that airport and no where else.  I know it was not the same person.  But, at the same airport if I went to a different wing which was different security I did not have the problem there. 

I had to laugh about it.  It was funny that they scanners took their job very seriously.
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     Posted 3/1/05 11:03 AM   
jgbrown78
 
From  jgbrown78  Posts 1  Last 6/16/06
To  Cathy      [Msg # 27812.5 Message 27812.5 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    (Unread)
I had a western belt buckle confiscated because of it's "menacing" shape ??
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#7 of 93

     Posted 3/1/05 5:49 PM   
jake6535
 
From  jake6535  Posts 1  Last 3/1/05
To  Cathy      [Msg # 27812.7 Message 27812.7 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    (Unread)

At the Hartsfield-International Airport I saw a little kid getting wanded for having buckes on his pants!

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#8 of 93

     Posted 3/2/05 1:24 AM   
beth079
 
From  beth079  Posts 1  Last 3/2/05
To  Cathy      [Msg # 27812.8 Message 27812.8 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    (Unread)
why do the people smoke get punish? cannot smoke in public places. now they want our  cig. lighter. what next?
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#9 of 93

     Posted 3/2/05 7:08 AM   
ronmixbw
 
From  ronmixbw  Posts 1  Last 3/2/05
To  tomglegal      [Msg # 27812.9 Message 27812.9 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    

you boys from homeland security should come on down to memphis tn. Need i say more? none of these people think they work for the government they work for the MAYOR  who is a very shady person, he knows he activities can not be touch. blieve me i know their are a lot of sleeper cells in memphis. I have been trying to report e-mails or someone on a computer coming thru my tv. i have wrote most all of it down , such as voices? iraq? iran? or maybe bridges secure . i do not think this is right and who knows i could be picking up h/land security or a somekind of terrorist

ron

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#10 of 93

     Posted 3/2/05 12:31 PM   
susan9390
 
From  susan9390  Posts 1  Last 3/2/05
To  Cathy      [Msg # 27812.10 Message 27812.10 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    (Unread)
WHAT WILL THEY THINK OF NEXT!!!  We live in a nation of paranoid fascists.

The last time I flew, I had to take off my shoes!  I'm trying not to take this personally, since everyone - man, woman, and child - had to do the same.  But I am a 55-year-old female who wears orthopedic shoes that are made like athletic shoes.  It was my understanding that only people with leather soles had to take them off.

It is interesting that this only happened at my point of departure.  When I got my return flight home (at a much larger airport near a much larger metropolitan area), my shoes stayed on my feet.

This is a humiliating situation.  If a terrorist wants to get a device onto an airplane, (s)he will be successful no matter what we do to prevent it!

By the way, why not only international flights?  On the other hand, why not trains, buses, your own automobile!


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#11 of 93

     Posted 3/2/05 1:45 PM   
davensherry1
 
From  davensherry1  Posts 1  Last 3/3/05
To  jake6535      [Msg # 27812.11 Message 27812.11 replying to 27812.7 27812.7 ]    (Unread)
Thats EXACTLY what happened to my son at the same airport. Oct 27th, 2004 it happened to both my sons, cause of thier buckles on thier pants ( belt ) they scanned him and scanned him... just about made them drop thier pants out in the open, till one of the Head Security guys told the other guy, that was enough. We stood thier for like 15 minutes while they constantly scanned my boys!
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#12 of 93

     Posted 3/2/05 2:07 PM   
lectersfavabean
 
From  lectersfavabean  Posts 1  Last 3/2/05
To  Cathy      [Msg # 27812.12 Message 27812.12 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    (Unread)
When I was in highschool, I was in chorus, and we went to new york to perform at the national youth choir....while we were there, I bought an awesome sweater from the canal street jean company- it was a hooded red sparkly sweater, with plush devil horns on the hood and little devil tails for the drawstring of the hood....annnnyways, on our way back at  Laguardia, while we were passing through the metal detectors, mine went off....so I went back through, emptied my pockets, then went through again- still went off...so they got out the little handheld thingy and started to scan me, and kept beeping.....EVERYWHERE...I didn't have on any jewelry, just my sparkly sweater....it  took a few more passes and a whole lot of wondering before they realized that it must be the sparkly fibre, everyone got a good laugh  :)

....thank GOD this was pre-911, or I probably would have been strip searched!  O_O
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#13 of 93

     Posted 2/28/05 12:15 PM   
Carolyn Randall [LAX]
 
From  Carolyn Randall [LAX]  Posts 3060  Last 2/12/08
To  All      [Msg # 27812.13 Message 27812.13 replying to 27812.1 27812.1 ]    

TSA Public Affairs

(571) 227-2829

TSA Adds Lighters to List of Items Prohibited Beyond Airport Checkpoints

WASHINGTON, D.C. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) today announced that all lighters will be prohibited from sterile areas of airports and onboard aircraft. This action is in response to a provision in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which was signed into law by the President on December 17, 2004, and requires that "butane" lighters be added to TSA’s Prohibited Items List.

After carefully evaluating the security threat, Congressional intent and operational considerations, TSA determined that passengers should be prohibited from carrying all lighters on their person or in carry-on luggage in the sterile areas of airports or onboard an airplane. The policy will be fully enforced beginning April 14, 2005.

"TSA is moving quickly to implement this provision passed by Congress,"

said Rear Adm. David M. Stone, USN (Ret.), Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security for TSA. "By creating policy to add lighters to the Prohibited Items List we are closing a potential vulnerability in air travel security."

The agency also acknowledged the role passengers play in making the security process go more smoothly.

"Travelers are a valuable partner in the screening process," said Rear Adm. Stone. "If they pack smart and avoid bringing lighters to the checkpoint, passengers can accelerate the screening process and allow us to focus on those individuals and items that may be a threat to their flight."

All lighters will be banned from sterile areas beyond security checkpoints at airports. This includes, for example, butane, absorbed-fuel (Zippo-type), electric/battery-powered and novelty lighters.

TSA’s mission includes preventing air piracy and use of an airplane as a weapon. TSA prohibits items that may be used to that end from being carried aboard an airplane. The lighter ban will fulfill Congress’ intent as expressed in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act and reduce security vulnerabilities, providing one more layer of security for the nation’s travelers.

The Department of Transportation classifies lighters as hazardous materials, and prohibits them from being stowed in checked baggage. TSA will dispose of lighters brought to checkpoints. Passengers at some airports may be able to ship them via a private company for a fee, but TSA strongly urges passengers to thoroughly inspect their carry-on and checked baggage for these items before going to the airport.

For more information regarding TSA, please visit our Web site at www.tsa.gov.

 

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#14 of 93

     Posted 2/28/05 12:20 PM   
Larry B. [BNA]
 
From  Larry B. [BNA]  Posts 1720  Last 1:54 PM
To  Carolyn Randall [LAX]      [Msg # 27812.14 Message 27812.14 replying to 27812.13 27812.13 ]    
So they will continue to allow matches?  I think that they originally planned to ban both.
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#15 of 93

     Posted 2/28/05 12:29 PM   
Carolyn Randall [LAX]
 
From  Carolyn Randall [LAX]  Posts 3060  Last 2/12/08
To  Larry B. [BNA]      [Msg # 27812.15 Message 27812.15 replying to 27812.14 27812.14 ]    

Larry,

<<So they will continue to allow matches?  I think that they originally planned to ban both.>>

Err... well, I don't know about that. I'm on the TSA listserve and just copied in what I got.

Carolyn

www.passportinfo.com
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#16 of 93

     Posted 2/28/05 12:33 PM   
Bill Summer [UK]
 
From  Bill Summer [UK]  Posts 998  Last 5/24/09
To  Carolyn Randall [LAX]      [Msg # 27812.16 Message 27812.16 replying to 27812.15 27812.15 ]    
Carolyn,

What about butane hair rollers?

Regards,

Bill
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#17 of 93

     Posted 2/28/05 1:25 PM   
Larry B. [BNA]
 
From  Larry B. [BNA]  Posts 1720  Last 1:54 PM
To  Bill Summer [UK]      [Msg # 27812.17 Message 27812.17 replying to 27812.16 27812.16 ]    

What about butane hair rollers?

You use those on your beard, Bill?  :)

Take a look at the Flammable Items section on the last page of this document:

http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Permitted_Prohibited_12_18_2003.pdf

It lists "Fuels (including cooking fuels and any flammable liquid fuel)" which are prohibited from both carry-on and checked baggage.  Lighters are specifically allowed in the Personal Items section on page 2 (at least until the mid-April change).  Since butane hair rollers are not specifically allowed, I would say that they are prohibited under the "Fuels" category.

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#18 of 93

     Posted 2/28/05 1:40 PM   
Carolyn Randall [LAX]
 
From  Carolyn Randall [LAX]  Posts 3060  Last 2/12/08
To  Bill Summer [UK]      [Msg # 27812.18 Message 27812.18 replying to 27812.16 27812.16 ]    

Bill,

<<What about butane hair rollers?>>

I'd suspect those "flaming" redheads will have to do without. Besides, I see Larry has already pointed you to the answer regarding fuel.

Carolyn

www.passportinfo.com
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#19 of 93

     Posted 2/28/05 1:47 PM   
Bill Summer [UK]
 
From  Bill Summer [UK]  Posts 998  Last 5/24/09
To  Larry B. [BNA]      [Msg # 27812.19 Message 27812.19 replying to 27812.17 27812.17 ]    
You use those on your beard, Bill?  :)

Shucks, Larry, you've given my secret away.<g>

I'm glad we're not flying to or in the States in June since I doubt if my wife would want to go if she can't take her Braun butane roller.  I'm sure that QM2 and Amtrak will be more accommodating.

Regards,

Bill
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#20 of 93

     Posted 2/28/05 1:56 PM   
Larry B. [BNA]
 
From  Larry B. [BNA]  Posts 1720  Last 1:54 PM
To  Bill Summer [UK]      [Msg # 27812.20 Message 27812.20 replying to 27812.19 27812.19 ]    
I've never looked up butane hair rollers before but I would think that they've always been prohibited.  Flammable liquids are hazardous material and they have always been very stingy with any acceptions.
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