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New Policy - Lighters & Breast Milk

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#1 of 20

     Posted 7/20/07 2:59 PM   
Jamaica Jim Jordan
 
From  Jamaica Jim Jordan  Posts 1978  Last 5:27 PM
To  All      [Msg # 30280.1 ]    

You Will SOON Be Able To CAN NOW Carry Lighters Aboard Airplanes - AGAIN!
First, let me recount some pertinent history for you, from messages found here on The Travel Forum!

  • Back on December 9, 2004, I posted a message - Congress Bans Lighters From Airliners - reporting for the first time a ban on lighters aboard airplanes.
  • On February 15, 2005, Hugh Wyn Griffith posted a message - TSA lighter ban delayed - reporting that the "Lighter ban on flights delayed the ban set to take effect Tuesday, but TSA said it's under review.  According to CNN Tuesday, February 15, 2005, "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Passengers still can carry butane lighters aboard commercial aircraft this week despite a law banning them that was scheduled to take effect Tuesday."
  • On March 1, 2005, Cathy posted a seeded message - TSA Bans Something New From Airplanes - (which ended up with a whopping 93 posts total!).  It included the following quoted text, "If you're flying, leave your lighter at home. The policy, which will be fully enforced by the Transportation Security Administration starting April 14, prohibits all lighters from airports and onboard aircraft."
  • Then, on April 14, 2005, Carolyn posted TSA Begins Enforcement of Lighter Ban, which included the following information, "WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) will begin enforcing a ban, beginning today, on all types of lighters from the secure areas of airports and onboard airplanes. The policy is in response to a requirement in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004. TSA announced the ban in February and set aside 45 days to educate the traveling public about the ban."

As everybody already knows, lighters were effectively prohibited from that point on!  (I can well remember having more than one lighter of mine summarily taken and dumped in a receptacle by inspectors in the Dutch Antilles, Jamaica, the US, Egypt, etc! <blush> But, that was because I forgot to leave 'em at home!  And, that's my story and I'm sticking to it!) <smile>

Now, it seems that the TSA is coming has come full circle ... as the subject says, it's now come up with a brand new policy! ( And, it's about time, too!)  Below is a copy of the TSA Press Release!

Jim


TSA Announces Procedural Changes at the Checkpoint: Common Lighters No Longer Banned from Carry-ons, Breast Milk Exemption Modified

Press Release July 18, 2007

Contact: TSA Public Affairs
571-227-2829

WASHINGTON – In an effort to concentrate resources on detecting explosive threats, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) today announced it will no longer enforce the ban on common lighters in carry-on luggage. Torch lighters will continue to be banned in carry-ons. The agency collects more than 22,000 lighters a day which represents a high percentage of all prohibited items surrendered at checkpoints nationwide. The measures will be implemented on August 4th.

“Explosives remain the most significant threat to aviation,” said Kip Hawley, TSA administrator. “By enabling our officers to focus on the greatest threats we are using our officers' time and energy more effectively and increasing security for passengers.”

TSA is also modifying the procedures associated with carrying breast milk through security checkpoints. Mothers flying with or without their child will be permitted to bring breast milk in quantities greater than three ounces as long as it is declared for inspection at the security checkpoint.

The procedural adjustments were developed based on process and effectiveness studies, feedback from the workforce and regular consultation with airports, airlines and other security partners. This marks the third modification to security procedures within the last year. On August 10, 2006, a complete ban on liquids, gels and aerosols was implemented immediately following the thwarted terror plot in the United Kingdom, and the update to those measures permitting travel-size amounts of liquids went into effect in September of 2006.

TSA has notified Congress of these changes and will soon begin training its workforce of 43,000 security officers. The United States previously had been the only nation in the world to prohibit lighters from carry-ons. Lifting this ban is another step in our efforts to harmonize security measures with international partners. Since August 2006, 59 countries around the world have adopted the 3-1-1 standard for liquids, gels and aerosols: three ounce containers, in one clear, zip-top plastic bag and one bag per traveler at the checkpoint.



Edited 7/28/2008 7:20 am ET by Jamaica Jim Jordan
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     Posted 7/20/07 10:26 PM   
Mase [LAX]
 
From  Mase [LAX]  Posts 509  Last 8/8/07
To  Jamaica Jim Jordan      [Msg # 30280.2 Message 30280.2 replying to 30280.1 30280.1 ]    
It is good to see some common sense prevail.  Now, no more piles of lighters at the curb  <G>
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     Posted 7/20/07 10:52 PM   
Larry B. [BNA]
 
From  Larry B. [BNA]  Posts 1711  Last Nov-20
To  Jamaica Jim Jordan      [Msg # 30280.3 Message 30280.3 replying to 30280.1 30280.1 ]    
Don't blame the TSA for this one, blame Congress.  The lighter ban originated from Congress, the TSA did not want to ban lighters.  They are now lifting the ban because they are now able to do so.
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     Posted 7/21/07 11:04 AM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith FL
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith FL  Posts 6406  Last Jul-7
To  Larry B. [BNA]      [Msg # 30280.4 Message 30280.4 replying to 30280.3 30280.3 ]    
Interesting that in the newspaper report on this the TSA guy was quoted as saying the original ban on lighters was just "grandstanding".
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     Posted 7/21/07 11:42 AM   
Larry B. [BNA]
 
From  Larry B. [BNA]  Posts 1711  Last Nov-20
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith FL      [Msg # 30280.5 Message 30280.5 replying to 30280.4 30280.4 ]    
That is his opinion on the action of Congress.  The TSA's position was that the risk was not significant enough to justify the resources necessary to screen for the lighters.
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     Posted 7/21/07 11:46 AM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith FL
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith FL  Posts 6406  Last Jul-7
To  Larry B. [BNA]      [Msg # 30280.6 Message 30280.6 replying to 30280.5 30280.5 ]    

<< That is his opinion on the action of Congress.  >>

Yes -- that's why I posted it.

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     Posted 7/21/07 4:53 PM   
JanSternfeld
 
From  JanSternfeld  Posts 2575  Last 2:19 PM
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith FL      [Msg # 30280.7 Message 30280.7 replying to 30280.4 30280.4 ]    
The original ban came about, according to news reports, because of the Richard Reid case.  He had tried to light his shoe bomb with matches, so lawmakers figured if he had used a lighter, he might have been more successful.  Matches were never banned.

Astonishingly, the number of confiscated lighters has reached up to 35,000 a day!  And it's been costing TSA $4 million a year to dispose of them because they contain hazardous materials.


Jan
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     Posted 7/21/07 5:02 PM   
Gail K.
 
From  Gail K.  Posts 411  Last Jun-18
To  JanSternfeld      [Msg # 30280.8 Message 30280.8 replying to 30280.7 30280.7 ]    

Jan,

We were recently waiting to check in at JFK for a flight to Rome and noticed the sign on the counter that said that lighters and matches were prohibited.  I definitely remember matches being mentioned because we commented on not being able to bring back cruise ship matches (there weren't any anyway). 

 

Gail K.
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     Posted 7/21/07 5:44 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith FL
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith FL  Posts 6406  Last Jul-7
To  JanSternfeld      [Msg # 30280.9 Message 30280.9 replying to 30280.7 30280.7 ]    
Crazy world!
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#10 of 20

     Posted 7/21/07 11:29 PM   
JanSternfeld
 
From  JanSternfeld  Posts 2575  Last 2:19 PM
To  Gail K.      [Msg # 30280.10 Message 30280.10 replying to 30280.8 30280.8 ]    
Interesting.  The TSA says this:
Up to 4 books of safety (non-strike anywhere) matches are permitted as carry-on items, but all matches are prohibited in checked baggage....

This security regimen applies to all domestic and international flights departing U.S. airports.




Jan
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     Posted 7/21/07 11:39 PM   
JanSternfeld
 
From  JanSternfeld  Posts 2575  Last 2:19 PM
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith FL      [Msg # 30280.11 Message 30280.11 replying to 30280.9 30280.9 ]    
Crazy about lighters, for sure!    You have to wonder how many more beyond the 35,000 lighters manage to slip past security screening.

When they confiscate a lighter, they should give the affected passengers a voucher to pick up a confiscated lighter at their destination airport.  That system would probably be cheaper to implement than $4 million a year. Of course, that's moot now.


Jan
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     Posted 7/22/07 12:44 AM   
Gail K.
 
From  Gail K.  Posts 411  Last Jun-18
To  JanSternfeld      [Msg # 30280.12 Message 30280.12 replying to 30280.10 30280.10 ]    

Jan,

Too bad I didn't think of taking a picture of the sign.  It wouldn't surprise me if the regs were interpreted differently in different airports.  What you quoted couldn't be clearer though.

 

Gail K.
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     Posted 7/22/07 2:18 AM   
Conrad K.
 
From  Conrad K.  Posts 2584  Last 2:23 AM
To  JanSternfeld      [Msg # 30280.13 Message 30280.13 replying to 30280.11 30280.11 ]    
>> When they confiscate a lighter, they should give the affected passengers a voucher to pick up a confiscated lighter at their destination airport. <<

Jan..  I don't recall which airport it was, but right after 9/11 I was in one airport where there was a bin/tray with a sign that said, "Leave One, Take One".  I thought that was pretty slick...  connie

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     Posted 7/22/07 12:35 PM   
GretchenB-SFO
 
From  GretchenB-SFO  Posts 1667  Last Nov-20
To  JanSternfeld      [Msg # 30280.14 Message 30280.14 replying to 30280.11 30280.11 ]    
You have to wonder how many more beyond the 35,000 lighters manage to slip past security screening.

At least two of mine.
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     Posted 7/22/07 12:36 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith FL
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith FL  Posts 6406  Last Jul-7
To  JanSternfeld      [Msg # 30280.15 Message 30280.15 replying to 30280.11 30280.11 ]    

<< When they confiscate a lighter ... a voucher to pick up a confiscated lighter at their destination airport.   >>

They'd then need extra staff for that and moving the lighters from a secure section to an incoming section ..... and someone would sue them when they burned themselves using the lighter they picked up <g>

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     Posted 7/22/07 2:03 PM   
Conrad K.
 
From  Conrad K.  Posts 2584  Last 2:23 AM
To  JanSternfeld      [Msg # 30280.16 Message 30280.16 replying to 30280.11 30280.11 ]    
>> You have to wonder how many more beyond the 35,000 lighters manage to slip past security screening. <<

Quite a few...<grin>..  I've always left my lighters at home, but you'd be amazed at how many folks have lighters in the smoking areas (those airports that do have smoking areas)...  connie

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     Posted 7/23/07 9:36 AM   
Mike K.
 
From  Mike K.  Posts 196  Last Nov-19
To  JanSternfeld      [Msg # 30280.17 Message 30280.17 replying to 30280.7 30280.7 ]    
Jan,

RE:  >> Astonishingly, the number of confiscated lighters has reached up to 35,000 a day! <<

There goes the value of my share in BIC. <g>

Mike
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     Posted 8/1/07 9:11 AM   
roneydirt
 
From  roneydirt  Posts 1  Last 8/1/07
To  Jamaica Jim Jordan      [Msg # 30280.18 Message 30280.18 replying to 30280.1 30280.1 ]    

There are several things they confiscate that I don't understand. I flew out of Tampa to Korea. You know those vacuum bags that you can put your clothes and stuff in to shrink the items down to fit more. I arrive and one of the bags was ripped open and the lighters that were in it were pulled out of a checked in bag. Plus they "confiscated" my rum bottle and glow in the dark beach volleyball that was deflated. This was done at the Tampa International Airport... lovely. The thing that ticked me the most was on the lighters one was my grandmothers zippo that I kept for good luck after she passed away several years ago.

Of course the ban on gels, liquids and aerosols is a load of crap. The bombers were supposedly going to use something like them was only American concept. The news outside the US doesn't mention anything like that and the British intelligence found it comical. It only stops those that don't plan on doing anything wrong from bringing those items. I wonder if it were become public how little those detectors actually detect what the public would say?

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     Posted 8/1/07 9:18 AM   
Larry B. [BNA]
 
From  Larry B. [BNA]  Posts 1711  Last Nov-20
To  roneydirt      [Msg # 30280.19 Message 30280.19 replying to 30280.18 30280.18 ]    (Unread)
I arrive and one of the bags was ripped open and the lighters that were in it were pulled out of a checked in bag.

Lighters are, and always have been, banned from checked bags because they contain flammable liquid.  That's a hazardous materials restriction, not a security rule.
Lighters without fuel are permitted in checked baggage. Lighters with fuel are prohibited in checked baggage, unless they adhere to DOT exemptions, which allow up to two fueled lighters if properly enclosed in a DOT approved case. If you are uncertain as to whether your lighter is prohibited, please refrain from bringing it to the airport.
What was the proof of your rum?  Alcoholic beverages of more than 140 proof are prohibited in checked baggage under hazardous materials restrictions.

Please note, you can’t take alcoholic beverages with more than 70% alcohol content (140 proof), including 95% grain alcohol and 150 proof rum, in your checked luggage. 

You may take up to five liters of alcohol with alcohol content between 24% and 70% per person as checked luggage if it’s packaged in a sealable bottle or flask.

Alcoholic beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.



Edited 8/1/07   by  Larry B. [BNA]
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