>>Isn't it amazing what you will do to twist the Scripture to arrive at your own SDA emphasis. Take a read of these translations.:<<How is that twisted? Doesn't it read straight? Doesn't it make sense in the face of the entire Bible that states, clearly, that you don't have a soul, you ARE A SOUL.
I can't help it if you have thrown away the clear Word of God for something else that claims that you have an immortal soul. That isn't Biblical and you know it. Or at least you should if you read your Bible at all. I don't know how many times I have ask to be shown the words "Immortal soul" in this forum. Never got an answer.. Know why? There isn't any such words. Never have been, never will be.
God clearly warned against believing in sprirts of dead people. Against witches and such. Didn't you ever wonder why? That is one of Satan's best weapons. He is setting the world up to believe Jesus has come when it really is him impersonating Him.
The dead are dead. "The soul that sinneth shall die." Then, look at John 3:16. What in the world could be clearer? Two classes. One with immortality and one without. Romans 6:23 says exactly the same thing. Then Rev.22:14 clearly states that only the saved have access to the tree of life. That sort of leaves sinners without it,doesn't it? How do you have an immortal anything if you can't get to the tree of life? think about it.
Harold.
<<You can quote "the soul that sinneth shall die" (Ezek. 18:4, 20) until you are blue in the face, <<
And you still wouldn't believe it.. I can see why. You have been so conditioned by your church that unless it says something is so, it isn't in your eyes. Don't forget, that isn't the only scripture I have sent. John 3:16, Romans 6:23 all say the same thing. Only the saved have immortality. And, you have yet to show me any 'immortal soul' scriptures.
Why do you want to keep Satan's lie going? You don't have a soul. You ARE a soul. It is YOU.
Wait till I get home and I can find lots more on this. Leaving at noon today. Be home tonight. Probably won't get on here until tomorrow, though.
<<You are the pot calling the kettle black!>>
Not quite. You're not a kettle. <s>
>>Not quite. You're not a kettle. <s><<
I have come to view his and other’s inability to process simple data that contradicts SDA teaching as a demonically induced dementia, an insanity.
Irrational responses that would normally be considered within the realm of insanity are:1. The belief that one belongs to an exclusive group that alone among all Christian denominations truly understands scripture.2. The belief that the Pope and the RCC has controlled the minds of every believer since the beginning of the church and only the SDA has escaped the RCC’s evil grip.3. The inability to process simple statements if they contradict what his cult has taught him. His response that “…Jesus declared all foods clean” does not mean Jesus actually declared all foods clean but that it was simply a “spurious” comment at the end of a discussion about washing hands or, rather than allow the words to mean what they obviously mean, to try to redefine the word “food” are examples of the extent that he will go to in order to avoid dealing with the reality of the simple meaning of the words.4. A neglect to respond to a comment that he cannot refute as if the comment had never been made. This allows him to pretend that no refutation of his programming exists. He simply ignores it out of existence so he doesn’t have to deal with it.
That reminds me of a situation we had about 15 years ago in California. A group of Cambodian women, refugees from Pol Pot’s murderous insanity, were all blind but there was no evidence of any cause of the blindness. What was eventually determined was that the women had seen so much evil that they simply stopped seeing in order to protect their sanity. As a survival device, their minds simply refused to see any more. Cult members have a similar situation. They have become so dependant upon the approval of their cult that any challenge to their continuing membership is perceived as a survival threat and their minds have created methods to prevent them from recognizing anything that might separate them from the cult which has become their only source of meaningful existence. Any form of separation from the cult, or even to consider an idea that is contradictory to cultic teaching is subconsciously interpreted as life threatening.
That’s what I see in Harold and every other SDA member who has ventured into this forum to set us free from the control of Darth Poper and the evil RCC Empire.
I think there is no escape for any of them without the consistent, fervent prayers of believers binding of the demons that cause the cult mentality. Those demons include dementia, confusion, blindness, religious pride, arrogance, false religion, false prophesy, self-righteousness and probably at least a dozen others. They operate in clusters. (That should cause some interesting responses. Perhaps a howl or two)
jim
>>You are the pot calling the kettle black!>>
Oh, sure. I quote scripture and you quote traditions. That makes me wrong. You are only upset because you have nothing to back up what you claim to be the truth. Try finding it in the Bible. I have ask till I am blue in the face for someone to show me the words "Immortal soul." Everybody just keeps beating around the bush with their traditions and nothing from the Bible.
When you wake up and discover that your traditions are NOT from the Word of God, let me know.
<That’s what I see in Harold and every other SDA member who has ventured into this forum to set us free from the control of Darth Poper and the evil RCC Empire.>
You don't have to fear the Gollum. (s) You should stay in the third person to keep strong in debate. Your four bullet points were more effective and much better than getting all flustered emotionally. Don't sink to their level.
>> Don't sink to their level.>>
Right. Don't resort to scripture.
<Don't resort to scripture.>
Not exactly, don't use similar names and terms with different definitions, such as you do with wine.
>> I have ask till I am blue in the face for someone to show me the words "Immortal soul." <<
>>Please show me the word, "Trinity," in the Bible.>>
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: "
I am just going to assume that you can count. That is what 'trinity' means. Three.
>>I am just going to assume that you can count. That is what 'trinity' means. Three.<<
<< It's amazing what he will do to avoid the obvious?>>
"The obvious" has the potential to be psychologically painful to a cult member who perceives a threat to his cult's worldview in what is obvious to others.
A madman will not accept that fact that he's not Napoleon. If you destroy his identity with reality then he's left with the question, "Who am I?" and no answer. It is also a threat to his source of affirmation. If he denies the false teachings of his cult then, logically, he should remove himself from their circle of influence and the affirmation they provide. Unfortunately, to do so would leave the ex-cult member without a circle of friends because cults tend to isolate their members from outsiders by implanting the idea that all outsiders are evil or dangerous or heretics. (Note Harold's phobia toward the RCC and the Pope.)
A threat to any part of a cult’s dogma is a threat to the cult member’s personal identity. Members are indoctrinated with the idea that the world outside the cult is chaotic and dangerous while the womb of the cult is safe and nurturing. To leave the cult is to experience a kind of death. Indeed that is what scripture states, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2COR5:17) and “For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.” (COL 3:3)
Thank you for that insightful comment. (seriously!)
