Don

<<I wonder if this will be considered a hate crime. It seems to qualify.>>

I don't think so.

The man's hatred is directed against the "infidel" west which exports it's pornography and promiscuity all over the world through our TV shows and movies and magazines.

According to the teachings of Islam, the man’s daughter dishonored his family and Islam by her “westernized” behavior and that placed him in a position of having the duty to avenge the sullied honor of Islam, his family, and himself.

The hatred was not directed against his daughter as much as it was against the west (led by the Great Satan, the USA).

We are horrified by such actions here in the USA because we have replaced the idea of freedom with license and, except for the military and a few scattered other enclaves, no longer have any idea what the word “honor” means. So we cannot imagine why anyone could possibly do such a thing to their own daughter even if they are immersed in a religion that perpetuates 7^th century, Arabian culture in which women are chattels to be used as their men see fit. We, as typical Americans, cannot see beyond our own front yards and expect the rest of the world to be like us. (As in “Why kum these people in Parree can’t talk Amerkin?”)

So we ask if this is not a so-called “hate crime” (aka: thought–crime) because we are unable (too lazy) to attempt to understand their point of view. To do so would require us to recognize the cesspool that promiscuity and pornography and drugs and the attitude that “it’s all about me” have made from what was once a great nation. Our culture is rotten to the core.

But not to worry! At the rate they’re going, Islam will be the dominant religion in the USA within 50 years which means that you and I will both be persecuted for our “lifestyles” but “honor killings” won’t make the news because they will be as common as the weather report. It is part of the decline and fall of America. Whenever a country becomes a great civilization they become decadent and weak which encourages the barbarians to come in and kick their butts.

For the Romans it was Germanic tribes. For the West it will be Islam. But they won’t have to fight; they’ll just have to demand and we (in Neville Chamberlain, panty-waste fassion) will willingly give them whatever they want in order to appease them so they will be nice to us.

How was your trip?

jim

Don

<<If he hates the west so much, why is he here in the west?>>

Probably because it's easier to make money in the USA than anywhere else in the world. (For the moment)

<<Unlike Ronny Reagan who goes to China and tries to tip a kid during the time when such was considered a serious crime in China. >>

RIght! Only politicians are allowed to be bribed.

It is amazing presidents and their advisors seem to be totally clueless about the cultures they want to influence. We have been sending female secertaries of state to Arab nations since Clinton appointed Mady Allbright. The Arabs just assumed we were too stupid to understand that we were insulting them.

<< I will be 110 years old then and seriously doubt if I will still be here. >>

You may be surprised.

<<is that your Harley in your avatar? I own several motorcycles myself, but no Harleys.>>

Its a Harley Road King. I road it to Wash DC and back to San Jose in '04 for the "Run for the Wall"  We averaged 450 miles a day; stopped every 100 miles for gas and fluids. 5 and a half days each way.

I had a custom seat made in Florida and was the only one who didn't have to stand up while riding to let some blood back in my behind. Great seat mady by Hartco in Stillwater, Florida. (Clearwater?)

As horrible as this sort of thing is, in Islamic societies it is very common, and in fact often considered a moral duty of the 'offnded' family, who will be critixized if they do NOT kill such a woman. The killing is not done because of any feeling of hate toward the offender, at least in theri theory, but because of a society that is based on an 'honor-envy' cycle, one of status by means of correct position and intolerance of any opposed expression to the ethos of the whole. The thought behind this sort of thing is a sort of purity of the tribe honor code that demands nobody ever suggest alternatives can be valid.

I find a real interesting connection in SOME ways between this sort of Islamic 'tribalistic' thinking and the politiclaly correct intolerance of any who oppose their liberal views. Both sorts make even teh presence of opposition with any evident effect an affront to their owbn status and position and somethign one must not tolerate in the name of living freely in accord with their own lights. And both see nothign wrong with such enforced silencing of the 'other', in fact, consider it morally necessary to their status-position maintenance. Thus both are totally blind to the moral consideration of others that finds such things to be immoral, as the 'other' is given no possible miorally valid status at all, but is considered offending filth that must be cleaned up so life can rightly and freely go on without offense to theri own secure status.

This means the other can exist only under conditions of being dominated and positioned in submission to the tribe's ethos. So othres are 'tolerated' only so long as all theri behaviors are marked by evident submission to and deference to the will of the power status class, the 'other' in effect become only what the in group allows them to be, so defined byt he power holder, confined and controlled by them, and so not a true 'othher' that effectivly in any sense counters the tribe's status security system. This is why such killing is seen as an act of religious MERCY and duty in Islam, it maintians cohesion and integrity of the whole community, and it is why it is seen as moral by many politiclaly correct leftists to silence and disallow Christian or conservative voices in any venue 'status nmaed' by the liberal tribe to be what defines them, such as universtiy lecture rooms.

It also I think explains why so many young leftists are so attrqacted to Islamic radical causes, causes that run directly counter to their own stated desires. Thier worldviews and ethics are different, but their psychological - political life form is identical.

<<You live in San Jose, CA?>>

Used to. I recently moved to Las Vegas.

"If you dont believe the Muslim world hates America"

It's not that they don't hate us, this is about who they hate more.