The concerns are the latest involving "And Tango Makes Three," the illustrated children's book based on a true story of two male penguins in New York City's Central Park Zoo that adopted a fertilized egg and raised the chick as their own.
Complaining about the book's homosexual undertones, some parents of Shiloh Elementary School students believe the book — available to be checked out of the school's library in this 11,000-resident town 20 miles east of St. Louis — tackles topics their children aren't ready to handle.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/and-tango-makes-three/3234622901?flv=1
As a civil libertaian I beleive any companmy, including a church, should be free to hire and fire at will for any reason at all, or no stated reason. A private association should be PRIVATE, not subject to any government control on who it includes or does nto in its private associaiton. If they wnat to hire no blacks, or only blacks, no women, or only women, no gays, or only gays, they should be fully free to do so as long as the policy is fully public and kept strictly as stated in their own policy.
Thus if a company, say a resteraunt, wants to hire or serve only homosexuals, they should be free to do that, and they should also be free to exclude them if they want. The PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT of each private assiciation should be fully respected. [the one exception would be emergency treatment necessary to sustain life for any citizen, as opposed to ongoign care they could get anywhere else]. A law mandateing hireing of any is itself unlawful in the long run.
In a public school library no book can rightly be banned, but that is not relaly the issue here, it is mandatory reading in the lower grades that is at the heart of the real debate. I do think any school, elementary or middle anyways, shoudl require a parent permission slip signed that describes the content of ANY book taken from the library, and especially any used for class work should be subject ot the parents in every case. It is parents, not government, that should control education. [a private school can have anythign it wants, as nobody has to attend it]. Children are not 'mere creatures of the state' but live under the headship of parents, and the state ought to always act only in accord with the will of parents [except for cases of CRIMINAL abuse and so on].
This is one reason I oppose state run or regualted schools completely. Schools should all be private associations controlled by the votes of PARENTS, not just anyone, but parents of those attending, one vote per child. [if parents can't agree on one vote, no vote recorded]. Let government fund it if they will, equally for any school whose students pass cross normed standard tests in a given ratio. Just as I beleive in the seperation fo civil and ecclestiacla governments I also beleive inthe seperation of civil and educational governmnets.
Today most public school librarians effectivly BAN all explicit Christian books from their libraries, but include those advocating other religions. Do you think this practice is at all fair?
Are these sorts of books just there or are they mandatory reading and the basis of classroom work? The answer is clearly the secodn. They are not just suplamentary reading for those who might request them, but the basis of LESSON PLANS used in classrooms, sometimes mandated for use by policy makers. This has been so well documented that demonstrating it is like demonstrating the sun rises int he east and sets in the west.
Are you really this out of contact with reality or is everythign you wirte to be taken just as fantasy spun out of ideiologicalbias and blindness?
Do you favor banning all the books you don't agree with from all school libraries? <<<
No more than anyone else.
Do you agree with all the books that have been banned to date? Or just a few of them that made the list?
Should we ban only the books you deem necessary or the populace, or the popular gov't?
Maybe we should vote on this? Like all the other issues that we vote on that get overturned now and again by the court system.
Maybe we should vote on what the court system should be allowed to rule?
Maybe we should just give it all up to a facist dictatorship so we don't have to think anymore...waddya think?
No more than anyone else
I agree with you also. My concern is that certain written material is not appropiate to shove under the nose of impressionable young children in school. They grow up soon enough where then they can choose what it is they want to read.
I agree with you also. My concern is that certain written material is not appropiate to shove under the nose of impressionable young children in school. They grow up soon enough where then they can choose what it is they want to read. <<<
I agree with you there...but I don't think I need any outside influences to tell me what's right or wrong to read when it comes to my children.
I have mixed feelings about books that teach obvious nonsense as truth (such as the Bible!) in schools where kids should be taught facts, not nonsense.But any book, on ANY subject that shows the truth about any subject at all should NOT be banned anywhere, IMAO, regardless if you or I like it or not. <<<
Tom, your continual muck about what you consider nonsense, is old and tired. I've decided, that IF you can't post anything other than drivel like this, I, for one, am done replying to you.
BYE
W >> "Do you agree with all the books that have been banned to date? Or just a few of them that made the list?"D >> I have mixed feelings about books that teach obvious nonsense as truth (such as the Bible!) in schools where kids should be taught facts, not nonsense.
You have never had children Don, thank God! Your bashing the Bible is getting old, our country is founded on the Christian Faith, if you hate God so much, why do you keep posting here, Richard ran Ken off for bashing the Catholic faith and to me bashing God is worse, this is a Christian forum, not an athiest one, if you won't to belittle our faith and our God why don't you go to the athiest forum or worse the religion forum, I think the Christians here have been very nice to you and your cruelty about our faith and our Lord, I came on the CFF to get away from all of that but there is no peace here as every thread I read there you are bashing God.
I am to young to remember this, but I saw a clip of the Beetles claiming to be more famous than Jesus Christ and it showed the People taking all the Beetles albums and burning them, after that the Beetles went down hill, Joseph Smith boasted that he did better than Jesus Christ ever did, he said his people never left him but the followers of Jesus ran from him, a month after that he was dead. What has God ever done to you for you to hate Him so much? Or should I say, a God that you know nothing about?D >> But any book, on ANY subject that shows the truth about any subject at all should NOT be banned anywhere, IMAO, regardless if you or I like it or not.
If you have met me and forgot, you have lost nothing.
But if you have met Jesus Christ and forgot, you have lost everything!
Lisa
