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#1 of 90 Posted Oct-19 7:20 AM

From Roy Longbottom Posts 166 Last Nov-21
To All [Msg # 164699.1 ]

I like to run my old DOS based benchmarks on a new PC but this is not possible with 64-Bit Windows. Some time ago, I produced a DOS boot CD that included the programs. The problem there is that some benchmarks try to save results (to read only media). I decided to make a bootable USB memory drive. There seems to be dozens of different methods to do this but the first one I tried did not work.The PC I tried it on, with an Asus P5B motherboard, has a BIOS setting to enable Legacy USB Support, but the drive did not appear in the Boot Device Priority list. Any suggestions?

As it happens, it does not matter much. When I boot with the CD, the USB drive appears as disk C. That means I can run my old benchmarks, with file output, and other DOS applications. In fact, the oldest benchmark is in BASIC, where I have to load QBASIC to run it.

Roy

#2 of 90 Posted Oct-19 1:37 PM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 1973 Last Nov-21
To Roy Longbottom [Msg # 164699.2 164699.1 ]

Which tool did you use to create the bootable thumb drive? I use HP's tool and that requires DOS files - I still have a W98SE folder on my HD and I point the tool to that...

I use the bootable thumb drive for BIOS flashing and that has worked well...

>>has a BIOS setting to enable Legacy USB Support

That is not the same as the Motherboard BIOS being able to boot fro a USB device. That is for USB mice and keyboards being available in DOS and Windows Safe Mode...

The P5B most likely does not support booting from a USB device. Your new system will as that feature is standard now...

#3 of 90 Posted Oct-19 8:47 PM

From Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET Posts 547 Last Nov-21
To Roy Longbottom [Msg # 164699.3 164699.1 ]

As Dale says about the two BIOS/Motherboard settings involving USB & thumbdrives. I have not checked this in my current ASUS motherboards with Award BIOSes but on my Averatec laptop with a Phoenix BIOS (I think it was) you did not see the option to boot from USB device unless one was plugged in.

I had a long "discussion" about this with a guy who insisted this was not an option for that model Averatec while I insisted it was. He agreed with me after he checked with a USB device plugged in.

FWIW

Hugh

#4 of 90 Posted Oct-19 10:03 PM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 1973 Last Nov-21
To Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET [Msg # 164699.4 164699.3 ]

FWIW, I do not see any option in CMOS itself. As you mentioned, once a USB device is attached, it then shows in the boot menu...

#5 of 90 Posted Oct-20 1:25 AM

From Judy M. Posts 1346 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 164699.5 164699.4 ]

My Compaq desktop does the same thing. No USB boot option in the BIOS screens, but if I have a bootable USB device plugged in, I can choose the device in the boot menu that comes up when I hit Esc right after the computer is turned on.

I had the computer over three years before I discovered this.
--Judy M.

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Registered Linux User #397786
Being productive with VectorLinux 6.0 Standard version, Deluxe Edition

#6 of 90 Posted Oct-20 6:32 AM

From Roy Longbottom Posts 166 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 164699.6 164699.2 ]

> Which tool did you use to create the bootable thumb drive? <

Bart MKBT that seems to be popular. I tried the drive on my laptop, that does have the boot option, and it gave an I/O error. On preparation, MKBT indicated something about wrong type of FAT at FAT 16. Perhaps the 512 MB drive is too large.

> I use HP's tool and that requires DOS files <

Thanks, I’ll try that one. I saw it as one of the many.

Roy

#7 of 90 Posted Oct-20 6:45 AM

From Roy Longbottom Posts 166 Last Nov-21
To Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET [Msg # 164699.7 164699.3 ]

I tried it on my last year’s Acer laptop. With no USB device plugged in, there are BIOS boot options for USB CD/DVD, USB FDD and USB HDD (that need moving up the list above the main HDD). With the thumb drive in, the drive label is identified under USB HDD.

Roy

#8 of 90 Posted Oct-20 7:28 AM

From Roy Longbottom Posts 166 Last Nov-21
To Judy M. [Msg # 164699.8 164699.5 ]

Sometime in the future, I expect to be playing with Linux. I see that this can now be bought on a USB drive. Which one is a good one to start with or could I download a free one and install it on a bootable thumb drive?

Do these include the GCC compiler?

Roy

#9 of 90 Posted Oct-20 9:10 AM

From Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET Posts 547 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 164699.9 164699.4 ]

Thanks -- I kept on meaning to check mine during bootup ...

Hugh

#10 of 90 Posted Oct-20 9:10 AM

From Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET Posts 547 Last Nov-21
To Roy Longbottom [Msg # 164699.10 164699.7 ]

Do you know what "make" of BIOS the ACER has?

Hugh

#11 of 90 Posted Oct-20 11:38 AM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 1973 Last Nov-21
To Judy M. [Msg # 164699.11 164699.5 ]

>>I had the computer over three years before I discovered this.

What, you did not "go looking" the first week??? <smirk>

#12 of 90 Posted Oct-20 11:50 AM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 1973 Last Nov-21
To Roy Longbottom [Msg # 164699.12 164699.8 ]

PMJI:

UltraISO can take a bootable ISO image (which is what most Linux distros use) and write that to a thumb drive that becomes bootable. I used that to create a bootablw thumb drive for Windows 7 32 bit...

#13 of 90 Posted Oct-20 12:40 PM

From Roy Longbottom Posts 166 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 164699.13 164699.12 ] (Unread)

Thanks. BTW, I downloaded that HP utility (hpflash1.zip) and it works on my Acer laptop and the Asus P5B. For the latter, only one HDD appears for boot priority selection, but a second option allows the main HDD to be swapped with the USB drive.

Roy

#14 of 90 Posted Oct-20 1:04 PM

From Roy Longbottom Posts 166 Last Nov-21
To Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET [Msg # 164699.14 164699.10 ]

Insyde H20 BIOS - never heard of it <g>

Roy

#15 of 90 Posted Oct-20 1:32 PM

From Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET Posts 547 Last Nov-21
To Roy Longbottom [Msg # 164699.15 164699.14 ]

Me neither but Google knows it:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLD_enUS311US311&q=Insyde+H20+BIOS

Say Yes you do mean ...

and one of the messages says some Toshiba laptops use it ....

Edit added "some"

Hugh

Edited Oct-20 by Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET

Edited Oct-20 by Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET

#16 of 90 Posted Oct-20 3:36 PM

From Irwin Posts 685 Last Nov-20
To Roy Longbottom [Msg # 164699.16 164699.1 ]

Roy,

With ASUS mobos press F8 during bootup with the USB drive plugged in, option for booting from the USB drive will appear without you having to change the BIOS setting.

iK© Without OzWin v2.33

#17 of 90 Posted Oct-20 3:38 PM

From Irwin Posts 685 Last Nov-20
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 164699.17 164699.2 ]

Dale,

PMFJI,

>> The P5B most likely does not support booting from a USB device. <<

The P5B supports booting from a USB device.

FYI and all that...

iK© Without OzWin v2.33

#18 of 90 Posted Oct-20 7:14 PM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 1973 Last Nov-21
To Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET [Msg # 164699.18 164699.15 ]

Note that SOME Toshiba Laptops may use it - I own two and have worked on another 10 or so and none of them use that BIOS...

FWIW...

#19 of 90 Posted Oct-20 7:24 PM

From Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET Posts 547 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 164699.19 164699.18 ]

I've added the word "some" to my message -- it was in the original.

Hugh

#20 of 90 Posted Oct-21 12:45 AM

From Judy M. Posts 1346 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 164699.20 164699.11 ]

>> What, you did not "go looking" the first week??? <smirk> >>

Actually, I did! When I couldn't find an option in BIOS for booting from USB, I checked for a BIOS update in HP's Web site but I already had the latest one. Then I used the Live Chat with an HP support person and I think he said there was no boot from USB option. It was 2006, so I found this very surprising, but I couldn't find anything to the contrary.

I didn't test it because I didn't have any bootable USB devices.But this past summer, I wanted to install VectorLinux 6 on my grandson's laptop and couldn't use the CD I burned from the ISO because his laptop's drive couldn't read home-burned CDs. So I made a bootable flash drive from the ISO and was able to boot it and install VL6. Later I got the bright idea to see what happened if I put the flash drive in a USB port of my desktop and see if I got an option to boot from USB with the boot menu. Lo and behold, I did!

So that's why I didn't discover that you could boot from USB on this computer until I'd had it for three years.
--Judy M.

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Registered Linux User #397786
Being productive with VectorLinux 6.0 Standard version, Deluxe Edition

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