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#1 of 78 Posted Oct-31 11:34 AM

From Bernie157 Posts 169 Last Nov-16
To All [Msg # 196174.1 ]

Someone has asked (on the CS Money & Investing forum, Finance/Tax Software folder) whether Managing Your Money (MYM) will run under Windows 7.

Most users of MYM including myself run DOS versions -- which I have successfully run since 1985 on real DOS versions, Windows 3.x, 9x, ME, and XP. Some have reported that it runs successfully on Vista 32-bit but not 64-bit.

If anyone reading this has Windows 7 and is willing to test, send me your email address and I will send you zip files of minimal runnable and sample data to try MYM 12 so you can try to answer the question. Thanks.

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Bernie in CT

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#2 of 78 Posted Oct-31 12:33 PM

From Timothy J. McGowan Posts 1686 Last Nov-20
To Bernie157 [Msg # 196174.2 196174.1 ]

Bernie:

I don't have Windows 7 installed yet, but I wanted to point out that you can install DOS or another, older version of Windows in a virtual machine on a Windows 7 computer.

If you get Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate and have a computer with a supported processor, you can use XP Mode in Windows 7 without needing to have or obtain a standalone copy of XP.

Otherwise, you can use a number of programs, many of them free, to run a virtual computer within Windows 7, and that virtual computer can run any operating system and you can install and use any program that operating system supports.

There are a lot of options. The more popular ones (okay, the ones I've heard of before) include the following:
Microsoft's Virtual PC (free)
Sun's VirtualBox (free)
VMWare's Player or Server (free)
VMWare's Workstation (paid)

-- Tim

McGowanReporting.com

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#3 of 78 Posted Oct-31 1:16 PM

From Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET Posts 552 Last Nov-21
To Bernie157 [Msg # 196174.3 196174.1 ]

There's a thread in PCHardware Forum on DOS on 64-Bit PC that you might find relevant.

Who is MYM by?

Hugh

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#4 of 78 Posted Oct-31 3:57 PM

From Bernie157 Posts 169 Last Nov-16
To Timothy J. McGowan [Msg # 196174.4 196174.2 ]

Thanks but unless I am missing something, all your suggestions/solutions involve having or getting Windows 7. I'm not planning on having a new computer and/or Windows 7 in the foreseeable future.

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#5 of 78 Posted Oct-31 4:46 PM

From Bernie157 Posts 169 Last Nov-16
To Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET [Msg # 196174.5 196174.3 ]

Hugh, that thread started out asking about running DOS on 64-bit but soon branched off to various questions and statements about USB drives, bootable thumb drives and diskettes, unique BIOSes, and so forth. Didn't see an answer about how to run a DOS app under 64-bit.

MYM was by MECA (Microcomputer Education Corporation of America) until it folded in the late 1990s. MYM for DOS came out in annual new versions from 1985 until V12 in 1995 or 1996.

MECA put out a few fixes in the next couple of years and one of their former programmers provided some fixes and enhancements including for Y2K after MECA's demise..

Then MECA started info creating MYM for Windows which had a few versions up to 2.1 and then a very problematic 3.0, which I participated in its Beta testing, and which was MECA's "Waterloo". Meanwhile MECA tailored MYM/Win 2.0 and/or 2.1 as proprietary versions for some banks (e.g. Nation's Bank) for their sale to their customers.

MYM/Win, even 3.0, never had all the functions or ease of use as MYM/DOS, although it was perhaps pretter. But even as I use MYM/DOS today, it runs in a Window or fullscreen, can use F-keys and/or mouse clicks most of the time, is easy to use and some great graphs, and really is full-function compared to Quicken and MS Money, at least versions I knew something about a few yeats ago.

Aren't you glad you asked?

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Bernie in CT

Edited Oct-31 by Bernie157

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#6 of 78 Posted Oct-31 5:40 PM

From Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET Posts 552 Last Nov-21
To Bernie157 [Msg # 196174.6 196174.5 ]

Yes --- I wondered why I couldn't find anything informative by Googling.

Threads drift here as well ...

Hugh

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#7 of 78 Posted Oct-31 5:42 PM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 12682 Last Nov-21
To Bernie157 [Msg # 196174.7 196174.1 ]

Bernie:

Check your Mail...

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#8 of 78 Posted Oct-31 6:24 PM

From Timothy J. McGowan Posts 1686 Last Nov-20
To Bernie157 [Msg # 196174.8 196174.4 ]

Bernie:

>> I'm not planning on having a new computer and/or Windows 7 in the foreseeable future. <<

My mistake. Let me rephrase: I wanted to point out that ~~you~~ anyone can install DOS or another, older version of Windows in a virtual machine on a Windows 7 computer.

Point is, if you're totally stuck with a Windows 7 computer, you should still be able to run your older software on it in a virtual computer. I've used virtual computers for years for software that refuses to run in XP and Vista.

-- Tim

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#9 of 78 Posted Oct-31 6:45 PM

From Bernie157 Posts 169 Last Nov-16
To Timothy J. McGowan [Msg # 196174.9 196174.8 ]

OK, thanks Tim. Setting up and running a virtual machine sounds too technical for your average user.

Are you saying that XP has the capability of running a virtual machine and/or that MS' or Sun's virtual machine can run under XP?

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#10 of 78 Posted Oct-31 10:00 PM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 12682 Last Nov-21
To Bernie157 [Msg # 196174.10 196174.9 ]

VM environments run in in XP/Vista/Windows 7. MS has made a marketing push about "XP Mode" which is just a customized version of their Virtual PC product and requires Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate. Home users have other options - Vmware Player and Sun Virtual Box are FREE. DOS could be installed under those VM environments...

If you can install an OS, you can install a VM, the process is the same...

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#11 of 78 Posted Oct-31 11:07 PM

From Dick C. Posts 461 Last Nov-21
To Bernie157 [Msg # 196174.11 196174.5 ]

Hello--I still run MYM11 under Win98se and WinXPsp2. Works well though now I do not have a printer capable of DOS printing. My Lexmark 3200 has problems feeding due to wear on the rollers and I let the black ink run out and did not repace the ink.

My new Lexmark is USB 2 and does not support DOS Printing. My solution is to Print to a file from MYM11, then open the text file in Wordpad, Edit, and print from Wordpad.

I do not recall patching the Y2K in MYM11--I have seen no problems with dates.

My Webpage

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#12 of 78 Posted Oct-31 11:10 PM

From Dick C. Posts 461 Last Nov-21
To Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET [Msg # 196174.12 196174.6 ]

Did you try searching on

Managing Your Money

That is the complete program title.

You may also get something about MYM by searching on

Andrew Tobias, he had contributed articles about money management related to the software.

I just found pages from the following keywords:

managing your money andrew tobias

Google Rules Again.

It has been a long time since I learned about Andrew Tobias.

My Webpage

Edited Nov-1 by Dick C.

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#13 of 78 Posted Oct-31 11:19 PM

From Sandy G/WinSupport Posts 337 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 196174.13 196174.10 ]

>> "XP Mode" which is just a customized version of their Virtual PC product and requires Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate. <<

Windows Virtual PC also includes a license for XP. Virtual PC 2007 has more options, but you have to provide your own OS licenses, and the one that came with your old OEM computer likely won't work

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#14 of 78 Posted Nov-1 1:20 AM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 12682 Last Nov-21
To Sandy G/WinSupport [Msg # 196174.14 196174.13 ]

>>the one that came with your old OEM computer likely won't work

Because? If it's been over 120 days since any hardware changes were made, odds are good it should, if it's for XP Pro...

XP Mode has it's own quirks. You can't boot from a CD, nor access the BIOS as it starts up. I "broke" the XP in XP mode and locked myself out (I used Lusrmgr to remove the password and there's a Group Policy setting that requires it, so I could no longer log in) and was not able to use anything off a boot CD to resolve the issue. Granted, what I did was "unconventional", however, never underestimate the ability of users to gum things up...

MS attempted to make launching XP apps appear "seamless", however, they forgot about the VM startup time, which is noticable on a Laptop, for example...

Also, the VHD file is not backward compatible with VPC 2007 - been there, tried that as well...

Personally, I do not expect many to actually use the facility...

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#15 of 78 Posted Nov-1 10:18 AM

From Sandy G/WinSupport Posts 337 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 196174.15 196174.14 ]

Most users get the computer from HP or Dell or Compaq or such. The system discs that come with are tied to the BIOS and won't activate on a different system.

Actually, that's probably not quite right. The Setup key is the captive and cannot be used to install a retail OS disc on a foreign machine.

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#16 of 78 Posted Nov-1 10:19 AM

From Bernie157 Posts 169 Last Nov-16
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 196174.16 196174.7 ]

Thanks to Dale for testing MYM V12 for me. He found that it ran OK on Windows 7 32-bit but not on 64-bit -- just like Vista.

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#17 of 78 Posted Nov-1 10:26 AM

From Bernie157 Posts 169 Last Nov-16
To Dick C. [Msg # 196174.17 196174.11 ]

The MYM updates, including for Y2K, posted in the Files section of the Money & Investing forum are only for V12. I'm not sure that anyone with any version actually experienced problems when January 2000 arrived but the fixes were at least supposed to be preventative. I think there are some functions, which perhaps you don't use, where trying to enter yr 2000+ dates might not work without the patches.

There are some enhancements between V11 and V12 -- a file in the Files section in the other forum describes them -- which you might be interested. If so I can send you minimum files in a ZIP file to replace what you have. Let me know. C'mon over to the other forum (if you haven't already) and read and post over there in the Financeial & Tax Software folder.

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Bernie in CT

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#18 of 78 Posted Nov-1 10:28 AM

From Bernie157 Posts 169 Last Nov-16
To Dick C. [Msg # 196174.18 196174.12 ]

>> Andrew Tobias, he had contributed articles about money management related to the software. <<

Actually Andy Tobias was instrumental in the original design and promulgation of MYM.

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Bernie in CT

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#19 of 78 Posted Nov-1 11:14 AM

From Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) Posts 12682 Last Nov-21
To Sandy G/WinSupport [Msg # 196174.19 196174.15 ]

OEM, yes. Retail, no...

However, the flks with the OEM systems are not likely to be using a VM anyway, so that's a moot point...

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#20 of 78 Posted Nov-1 11:27 AM

From Sandy G/WinSupport Posts 337 Last Nov-21
To Dale G. Shields (WUGNET) [Msg # 196174.20 196174.19 ]

Au contraire. The "average" user these days will not be buying his first machine. And he will forget how much he spent on programs for the old one over its lifetime. So he will be seeking a workaround to keep his old XYZ working on his new system - and the free answer to that is Windows Virtual PC.

We are the odd crew who uses Virtual PC 2007.

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