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Too-small unchangeable font

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#1 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 6:48 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3935  Last Nov-21
To  All      [Msg # 196187.1 ]    

In Windows 7 I'm unable to adjust the font size for what I guess is the system font. It's the one that appears in dialog boxes and in programs that don't let you select the font for the text on screen.

I've already done everything allowed by Win 7. In Control Panel, Display, Set Custom Text Size I have Larger-150% selected and Use Windows XP style DPI scaling is checked. (I've also tried it with that setting unchecked.) I am using Aero. I've also tried to make the font size larger with Windows 7 Basic, which offers the chance to change the font size for several display elements. Nothing changed with the system font. I searched the Registry with Regedit in hopes I could find a default display font size, but there was nothing in human-readable form for font sizes and I couldn't determine what font is used for the dialog boxes, etc.

I wonder if the problem is related to resolution (1600x1200). If so, all high-resolution display might have this problem. Old programs often had hard-wired fonts whose size couldn't be adjusted and seemed to expect 640x480, with the font getting progressively smaller as resolution went up. I would hope we'd be past this obsolete behavior by the time Win 7 is out.

I'm attaching some screen shots to show just how awful this small font is. Does anyone know how to make it larger? I've done a lot of googling and could not find this problem discussed. All the talk of small fonts dealt with things that responded to changed in settings, but this does not.

I have more screen shots but I can't get them to upload with either IE or Opera. The problem seems to be on CompuServe's end. I'll try again in a while.
--Judy M.

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     Posted Nov-6 7:27 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12682  Last Nov-21
To  Judy M.      [Msg # 196187.2 Message 196187.2 replying to 196187.1 196187.1 ]    

Check for "missing" fonts, perhaps?  Had a Vista system in here the other day where certain dialog boxes werr "too large" for the fixed size frame.  Turns out the Segue UI fint was missing from the \Windows\Fonts folder, for whatever reason...

I also found that one can NOT simply copy the Font files into the folder, they have to be installed vis Control Panel | Fonts to work properly...

 


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     Posted Nov-6 7:37 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3935  Last Nov-21
To  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)      [Msg # 196187.3 Message 196187.3 replying to 196187.2 196187.2 ]    

I already thought of that. All the Win 7 fonts are in the font directory as they were when Win 7 was installed. Segue is there.

>> I also found that one can NOT simply copy the Font files into the folder, they have to be installed vis Control Panel | Fonts to work properly... >>

Hmmmm. You're supposed to be able to drag and drop to install fonts. You found that doesn't work right? What happens? I haven't tried to install any other fonts yet.
--Judy M.


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     Posted Nov-6 8:13 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3935  Last Nov-21
To  All      [Msg # 196187.4 Message 196187.4 replying to 196187.1 196187.1 ]    
Here are more screen shots of the problem.
--Judy M.

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     Posted Nov-6 8:31 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3935  Last Nov-21
To  All      [Msg # 196187.5 Message 196187.5 replying to 196187.4 196187.4 ]    
And finally, this one.
--Judy M.

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     Posted Nov-6 8:38 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 552  Last Nov-21
To  Judy M.      [Msg # 196187.6 Message 196187.6 replying to 196187.4 196187.4 ]    

When you looked to change the font size on the system text did you click on that icon (scroll down below what you can see normally) where my mouse pointer is Windows Classic.

I get the selection of system font sizes there if those are the ones you mean? I can't see from your images just which are too small -- looks like everything is.

I haven't found how to make the desktop icons smaller than smaller on that choice of sizes -- it used to tucked away somewhere inside, was it Advanced

  Hugh


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     Posted Nov-6 8:55 PM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 337  Last Nov-21
To  Judy M.      [Msg # 196187.7 Message 196187.7 replying to 196187.3 196187.3 ]    
Dragon drop works just fine. The various group settings might make one think some of the fonts didn't copy until the meaning of the multipage icon clicks.
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#8 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 9:04 PM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 337  Last Nov-21
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196187.8 Message 196187.8 replying to 196187.6 196187.6 ]    
The answer is a lower resolution, of course.
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#9 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 9:13 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 552  Last Nov-21
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 196187.9 Message 196187.9 replying to 196187.8 196187.8 ]    

Sorry -- the answer to what?

PS Do you remember The Graduate .....

  Hugh

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#10 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 9:48 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12682  Last Nov-21
To  Judy M.      [Msg # 196187.10 Message 196187.10 replying to 196187.3 196187.3 ]    

>>What happens?

The fonts did NOT appear in Control Panel | Fonts...

A telltale sign was that the dialog where one sets fonts and sizes showed "blank" for the font name on the System items.  That's what confirmed the font was "missing"...

 

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     Posted Nov-6 10:24 PM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 337  Last Nov-21
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196187.11 Message 196187.11 replying to 196187.9 196187.9 ]    

The answer to too small fonts is always resolution. Setting a system to 800x600 or thereabouts will make the fixed text (as in Judy's samples) big enough to read. It may also make a mess of something else, but the letters will be big enough.

Plastics?

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#12 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 10:27 PM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 337  Last Nov-21
To  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)      [Msg # 196187.12 Message 196187.12 replying to 196187.10 196187.10 ]    

Dialog as in character styles in Word (as opposed to in the OS)? A blank space would be attached to a busted font, not a missing one. A missing font would not have a line empty or otherwise.

Try dragging a known good TTF.

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#13 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 10:30 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3935  Last Nov-21
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196187.13 Message 196187.13 replying to 196187.6 196187.6 ]    

I already tried those settings, Hugh. No change. If you notice, this font is not among those that are adjustable. The fonts on screen and in programs that respect those settings are fine. This font does NOT change when you change font size settings. If you look at the screen shot for MasterCook, you see the font that displays when there are no font settings in the program. It's the same font that appears in the tabs for various dialogs. 

Also, if you use Aero, you don't get those font selection dropdowns. Note the message on the tab in your screen shot: Sizes selected here apply only if you have selected the Windows 7 Basic theme...

If you use Aero, those fonts are fixed in the theme. You make them smaller or larger through the Small, Medium, and Large setting. Unfortunately, setting it on Large does not affect the tiny screen font in my screen shots.

I have tried it using Aero and not using Aero (using Win 7 Basic or Windows Classic). Safe to say, choosing Aero or something else makes no difference. That's why I think the absolute size of the font is fixed and if you have a high-res display, the font gets too small to see comfortably. If so, this is really lame. Surely there are many users today with high-res screens.

I am using Aero and will not change, especially since not using Aero does not let me make the font bigger.

The screen shots started out at 1600x1200 and I had Irfanview reduce them to 1024x768 to keep the size down for downloading. Mainly you can see that the too-small font is smaller than all the other type (menus, icon labels, title bars, etc.).

Maybe I'll see if Windows 7 has a generic video driver that I can use at 1600x1200 instead of the ATI driver. Maybe the font size is related to the video driver.
--Judy M.


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#14 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 10:34 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3935  Last Nov-21
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 196187.14 Message 196187.14 replying to 196187.8 196187.8 ]    

I tried all three of those and even a 200% setting on the custom screen. The too-small font is not affected by the percentage settings.

I'm going to see if Windows offers another driver that will still give me my monitor's native resolution of 1600x1200. Maybe the ATI driver is involved.
--Judy M.


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#15 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 10:39 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3935  Last Nov-21
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 196187.15 Message 196187.15 replying to 196187.11 196187.11 ]    

>> The answer to too small fonts is always resolution. >>

Not really. Most font sizes are adjustable. So even with a high-res screen, you can change the font sizes so you can see the letters comfortably.

Except for the fonts that aren't adjustable because they're hard-coded somewhere. It looks like this font is one of those.

I certainly will not change the screen resolution. After all, I paid good money for a high-res screen. I'd be nuts to reduce it to something silly like 800x600.
--Judy M.


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#16 of 94

     Posted Nov-6 11:02 PM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 337  Last Nov-21
To  Judy M.      [Msg # 196187.16 Message 196187.16 replying to 196187.15 196187.15 ]    

The window that shows "Active Window" and "Message Box" and such - Window Color and Appearance in Win 7 or Display Properties in XP - has a tab (or tabs) at the top. AFAICT the text on those tabs is the worst offender.

Other settings can be the same, like one of the messages in Solitaire. But those display tabs are sure indicators and easy to find.

About the only good reason to avoid a netbook.

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     Posted Nov-6 11:11 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3935  Last Nov-21
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 196187.17 Message 196187.17 replying to 196187.16 196187.16 ]    

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. I've tried changing all font settings but nothing enlarges the "too-small" font as seen in my screen shots. None of the adjustable font sizes was set smaller than 14.

I wonder if there is some Registry setting. I did a search on font in the Win 7 Registry but found nothing that looked like what controls the too-small font. Of course, most of those Registry settings were incomprehensible.
--Judy M.


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     Posted Nov-6 11:38 PM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 337  Last Nov-21
To  Judy M.      [Msg # 196187.18 Message 196187.18 replying to 196187.17 196187.17 ]    
I just meant there is a handy place to check the immutable font size. And the Display properties tab font size is it. Beats me where those font sizes are set. My screen is four times as big as a netbook's, and the resolution is set to less, but I can read all the local text. Not so much for web fonts. Ah for the good old days when a simple REG file fixed the fonts.
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     Posted Nov-7 11:25 AM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 552  Last Nov-21
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 196187.19 Message 196187.19 replying to 196187.11 196187.11 ]    

Yes Plastics and No the answer is not always resolution if you want little details like not having to scroll to see all of displayed matter.

There used to be a specific variator for icons in XP (that will make Dale happy <g>) and not just for everything.

  Hugh

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     Posted Nov-7 11:37 AM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 552  Last Nov-21
To  Judy M.      [Msg # 196187.20 Message 196187.20 replying to 196187.13 196187.13 ]    

Some things I don't understand (in regard to this matter <g>)

When you say "this font" and "system font" and put up the illustration with your first message which of all the dozens of fonts/text areas do you mean?

If it is used in one of the areas included in the control I showed with my earlier message then you can change the actual font used if you want to as well as the point size.

If it is not in there then is it under the control of local Windows? For example looking on the CIS screen as I write I can't change the font size of Board Folders so far as I know except by using a different resolution as suggested or by using the magnifier in IE (and other browsers I believe).

As for Aero, I will check but I have no recollection of turning Aero off in WIN 7 but I'll check when I'm in it later on. I thought it was default for a machine with the performance which Ollie 3 certainly has to the best of my knowledge.

  Hugh

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