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Which Registry Cleaner

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#1 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 7:25 AM   
Wendy (UK)
 
From  Wendy (UK)  Posts 70  Last Oct-26
To  All      [Msg # 193132.1 ]    

I am about to take the giant step from XP Pro to Windows 7 and am interested in any advice on Registry Cleaners, and which one would be the best for Windows 7

I am currently using Registry Mechanic (by Pc Tools) and have had few problems with it on XP, although it does get indigestion with some entries for Kaspersky Internet Security and will not allow me to delete the key or value even though it refers to software that has been removed.

Is there a better Registry clean up tool out there which would work well with Windows 7?

Advice appreciated.



Wendy  (UK)
Using: Windows XP Pro+SP3 & Internet Explorer 7
Kaspersky Internet Security 8.0.0.506
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#2 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 8:03 AM   
John Crea - WUGNET
 
From  John Crea - WUGNET  Posts 70  Last 7:49 AM
To  Wendy (UK)      [Msg # 193132.2 Message 193132.2 replying to 193132.1 193132.1 ]    
Wendy

Most folks here feel that Registry Cleaners/Tuners are snake-oil and not worth the effort NOR risk of running

If you are happy with what you are using, then contact their support folks and find out WHEN they are coming out with a Win7 compatable version, but frankly I have heard absolutely NOTHING to indicate that Win7's registry is any different from WinVista, so it is likely what you have will work just as well under Win7 - assuming what you have is VISTA compatable (even though you are running it with WinXP)

John - WUGNET
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#3 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 8:17 AM   
Wendy (UK)
 
From  Wendy (UK)  Posts 70  Last Oct-26
To  John Crea - WUGNET      [Msg # 193132.3 Message 193132.3 replying to 193132.2 193132.2 ]    
Thanks John.

Wendy  (UK)
Using: Windows XP Pro+SP3 & Internet Explorer 7
Kaspersky Internet Security 8.0.0.506
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#4 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 10:48 AM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 217  Last 8:59 PM
To  Wendy (UK)      [Msg # 193132.4 Message 193132.4 replying to 193132.1 193132.1 ]    

You do not need a registry cleaner if you are going from XP to WIndows 7 since installing WIndows 7 on an XP machine does not retain any operational part of the registry or of XP itself. Here's the content of a message I posted this morning in the Norton Forums and now just in the other Windows support forum here dealing with going from XP to WIN 7:


With XP any way you do it is a clean install! You can't upgrade XP and preserve the applications etc, which on the whole is a good thing.

But you can do three kinds of "Clean install" with XP and Windows 7 if you retain the drive that Windows is on:

You can dual boot by starting the installation from within XP -- that preserves your old XP and adds WIN 7 in a new partition or on a different drive, logical or physical.

You can do a clean install in which you wipe the hard drive or only use the new drives and start from scratch in which case you do boot to the DVD

You can do a clean install from within XP which saves part of your XP files into a folder WIndows.old and then makes a clean installation of WIN 7 in a clean area of the disk ending up with WIN & installed clean but a bunch of files in a folder within and accessible directly from Windows 7.

In addition you can use the Windows Transfer Utility with any of those to save certain files and settings into an off system location and then move them back later before you install the associated applications so that when you do install the applications (and you do this after using the transfer utility to bring them into WIN 7) they find your files and personal settings waiting. It does seem to move cookies and desktop icons but may depend on the settings in the associated settings of the transfer utility. Again there's a degree of uncertainty about this.

Each of those has its pros and cons. The only downside of the third route is a degree of uncertainty at present on what files are saved into that Windows.old. It may not be all you want in terms of personal data files and might, for example, only be those in certain default locations. This applies to the Transfer Utility too.


Needless to say it would be more than a good idea to make an image of your XP drive and store it off-system in case you should need it and absolutely essential to make backups of your personal files like email and images etc that only you can identify since, for me at this moment, there is more than some uncertainty as to whether the files moved into Windows.Old or transfered by the WIndows Transfer Utility automatically include say for example all Microsoft Word document files wherever you have stored them on the drive or only those stored in the default locations .... or ....

The support available on the Microsoft Windows 7 Help pages is extremely detailed and helpful. Do please go there, read and download the Instructions for going from XP to WIN 7 -- on the specific XP page there is a link to the instructions in PDF format; I clicked on that and when it asked Open or Save I saved to my computer so I could read there at leisure when ever I want and use the active links in them for more but I also printed them out. There are 12 pages for XP to WIN 7 but I printed mine doublesided and they are the best 6 sheets of paper I ever printed out!

Windows 7 Help

Install, Upgrade and Activate

Specific XP to Windows 7 instructions

There's even a video on the last one although I've not watched it yet.

I hope that helps -- going back to the beginning. I don't know of a Registry Cleaner that is not capable of doing more harm than good!

  Hugh

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#5 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 10:53 AM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 123  Last 8:35 PM
To  Wendy (UK)      [Msg # 193132.5 Message 193132.5 replying to 193132.1 193132.1 ]    

I am probably the only person around here who will admit to ever having used a registry cleaner. That was just once, and I used it in report only mode to sniff out the cookie Verizon leaves on a system so nobody else can ever log in.

If you think your registry is dirty, come here and list your symptoms. Otherwise don't go looking for trouble that isn't there.

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#6 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 12:22 PM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Wendy (UK)      [Msg # 193132.6 Message 193132.6 replying to 193132.1 193132.1 ]    

NONE!!!!!!

To be blunt:  "Cleaners" are junk and cause far MORE damage than they could ever "do good"...

WHY are you making things worse with that putrid stuff?  What exactly do you feel those snake oil peddlars can possibly do for you???

Can you tell I really despise garbage that is sold by preying on human emotion???

 


Edited Oct-20   by  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
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#7 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 12:24 PM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 193132.7 Message 193132.7 replying to 193132.5 193132.5 ]    

HUH???

How coukld a "cleaner" do that.  Was it too hard to scan the Cookie folder for "all thibgs Verizon"???

Just curious...

 

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#8 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 7:20 PM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 123  Last 8:35 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 193132.8 Message 193132.8 replying to 193132.7 193132.7 ]    

Ouch. Compuserve wouldn't let me reply all afternoon, and I'm not so sure what I was going to say.

"Delete the file Cookie:yourlogonname@sso.verizon.net" is the note in question. That file can no longer be found on my system, and I still use Verizon. Of course Verizon changed the whole router, too, and there's no telling what else is gone where.

But I still see no harm in running a registry diagnostic. Accepting the suggestions is a whole different matter.

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#9 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 7:32 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 217  Last 8:59 PM
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 193132.9 Message 193132.9 replying to 193132.8 193132.8 ]    

Imagine what it is going to be like Thursday when the world is trying to download their copy of WIN 7 ... I'm glad I ordered the disk.

I don't know where the hold up is but a message I just posted took minutes to complete. Yet I just ran Speedtest.net on the local node and on Columbus OH and they seemed normal. Probably the servers that Compuserve uses?

  Hugh

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#10 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 7:36 PM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 193132.10 Message 193132.10 replying to 193132.8 193132.8 ]    

>>I still see no harm in running a registry diagnostic.

You're KIDDING, right???

That garbage that is spewen out is pure drivel.  You see no HARM in wading theough drivel with ZERO upside and MAJOR downside???

The ir NOTHING that a "cleaner" can do to make a computer run better, but there is a LOT it can do that makes things WORSE...

Frankly, I am surprised about your ignorance of the problems...

 

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#11 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 7:37 PM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 193132.11 Message 193132.11 replying to 193132.9 193132.9 ]    

PMJI:

The Net as a whole has been SLOW since Monday - Thursday should be a real mess...  <sigh>

 

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#12 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 9:07 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 217  Last 8:59 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 193132.12 Message 193132.12 replying to 193132.11 193132.11 ]    (Unread)
See you next week .... I hope ...

  Hugh

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#13 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 9:25 PM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 123  Last 8:35 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 193132.13 Message 193132.13 replying to 193132.10 193132.10 ]    
Have you ever run CCleaner in Analyze mode? If not, you are missing a very interesting read.
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#14 of 66

     Posted Oct-20 11:49 PM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 193132.14 Message 193132.14 replying to 193132.13 193132.13 ]    

If you call that caca "interesting", you need a life...

Sorry, but INHO, the program is pure CRAP.  NOTHING in there amounts if a hill of beans difference in hiw Windows truely works.  Temp folders?  Bah!  Cookies?  Please, are we going to go hear "Cookies have to be evil" AGAIN???

I have yet to see ANY system "inprove" as a result if stuff like that.  Remember, I deal with a wide variety of systems in my daily travels...

Snake oil, no matter how it's sliced...

 

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#15 of 66

     Posted Oct-21 12:02 AM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 123  Last 8:35 PM
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 193132.15 Message 193132.15 replying to 193132.14 193132.14 ]    
But have you ever actually run a registry analysis? And read the reports?
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#16 of 66

     Posted Oct-21 6:52 AM   
Wendy (UK)
 
From  Wendy (UK)  Posts 70  Last Oct-26
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 193132.16 Message 193132.16 replying to 193132.4 193132.4 ]    

Hugh,

I do appreciate the trouble you have taken to post all that information.  I have to admit to taking the cowards way out with the step up from XP and combining it with an upgrade of my PC so the chap who will be building my new machine will clean install Windows 7 on a new hard disk as I am thinking of retaining my old hard disk as internal backup,as somewhere for Acronis True Image to store its drive images. Therefore that disk will have been cleared of all the XP clutter / re-formatted.

I have already backed up all my documents, pictures, music, e-mails and various settings to other media.

No my question about the registry cleaner was that I had regularly used Registry Mechanic with XP to clear of odd bits and peices left after uninstalling software etc though reading the various comments in this thread I am swiftly reaching the conclusion that I will not need that with Windows 7.



Wendy  (UK)
Using: Windows XP Pro+SP3 & Internet Explorer 7
Kaspersky Internet Security 8.0.0.506
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#17 of 66

     Posted Oct-21 6:58 AM   
Wendy (UK)
 
From  Wendy (UK)  Posts 70  Last Oct-26
To  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)      [Msg # 193132.17 Message 193132.17 replying to 193132.6 193132.6 ]    

Ah Dale, I take it that you are not a fan of registry cleaning software  ;-)

Point taken.

As you say they do prey on the unwary, not so much emotionally but through fear of the baffling and unknown as there are always so many dire warning about editing the registry.  Sometimes problems have arisen in the past, on both my Windows 98SE andthen this XP Pro machine where a gremlin in the registry has caused problems and I must admit Registry Mechanic fixed it.

I shall leave Windows 7 well alone and hope that the need to delve into the registry never arises.



Wendy  (UK)
Using: Windows XP Pro+SP3 & Internet Explorer 7
Kaspersky Internet Security 8.0.0.506
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#18 of 66

     Posted Oct-21 7:01 AM   
Wendy (UK)
 
From  Wendy (UK)  Posts 70  Last Oct-26
To  Sandy G/WinSupport      [Msg # 193132.18 Message 193132.18 replying to 193132.5 193132.5 ]    
Thanks Sandy, no problems with the registry, but I will certainly post any future problems here.  Though hopefully Windows 7 will run like a dream  <vbg>

Wendy  (UK)
Using: Windows XP Pro+SP3 & Internet Explorer 7
Kaspersky Internet Security 8.0.0.506
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#19 of 66

     Posted Oct-21 10:52 AM   
Sandy G/WinSupport
 
From  Sandy G/WinSupport  Posts 123  Last 8:35 PM
To  Wendy (UK)      [Msg # 193132.19 Message 193132.19 replying to 193132.18 193132.18 ]    
One other option for your elderly hard drive that might be useful - or not - depending on which systems you have where. Mounting the elderly drive as a second drive is always a good idea - either with the old files in case you forgot to save one or clean as you suggested. But it's also possible to buy an external USB case and use the drive (cleaned or not) with any computer that walks by. Might be handy if you also have a laptop.
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#20 of 66

     Posted Oct-21 12:09 PM   
Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (Wugnet)  Posts 9146  Last 7:41 PM
To  Wendy (UK)      [Msg # 193132.20 Message 193132.20 replying to 193132.17 193132.17 ]    

I really wonder what exactly it claimed to do??  Seriously, we see MANY reports here from folks with "broken" systems and the last thing they did was run some kind of "cleaner" because it said thibgs needed "fixing"...

 

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