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SAD lights and Winter Gloom

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#1 of 35

     Posted Oct-21 4:52 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.1 ]    
Although this is pure thread drift <s>, you seem to like bleak and gray days as much as I do. I need to use special lighting (5000K) at work, plus full spectrum bulbs in the house to counter SAD during the winter.



If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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#2 of 35

     Posted Oct-21 5:07 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.2 Message 197515.2 replying to 197515.1 197515.1 ]    

Did you find any reasonable SAD lights? Everything that I've looked at is hideously expensive. I have several lights set to turn on with timers before daylight, but nothing that truly mimics sunlight.

d

 

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#3 of 35

     Posted Oct-23 4:53 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.3 Message 197515.3 replying to 197515.2 197515.2 ]    
If you're referring to light bulbs, I buy the Chromalux brand. They can be found in health stores, but you can get a better deal online. Here are some reliable sources I've used. Just put light bulbs or SAD light bulbs in the Search window:

http://www.vitacost.com/
http://www.vitacost.com/Chromalux

http://tinyurl.com/yj92ozf
(Swanson's)

www.vitaminshoppe.com

The actual light stands are really expensive, and since I've used the full spectrum bulbs, I haven't had SAD symptoms. Of course, if the sun doesn't appear for weeks on end, most of us get a little something or other. <s>

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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#4 of 35

     Posted Oct-23 6:00 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.4 Message 197515.4 replying to 197515.3 197515.3 ]    

It was the cost of the fixtures that put me off. I hadn't thought of the cost of replacement. :-(

Are you saying that you use full spectrum bulbs in regular fixtures?

d

 

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     Posted Oct-24 5:02 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.5 Message 197515.5 replying to 197515.4 197515.4 ]    
<<Are you saying that you use full spectrum bulbs in regular fixtures?>>

Yes, Daryl, I do both in the house and the studio. The overheads here take those long bulbs, and I use full spectrum bulbs in regular lamps in the house. It does seem to do the trick.

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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#6 of 35

     Posted Oct-24 6:17 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.6 Message 197515.6 replying to 197515.5 197515.5 ]    

I'll give them a try, then. I have a couple of full spectrum reading lamps, but nothing in room lighting.

d

 

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#7 of 35

     Posted Oct-25 5:02 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.7 Message 197515.7 replying to 197515.6 197515.6 ]    
If you get the Chromalux bulbs, I think you'll find they last quite a long time, too.

With the days growing shorter, and the weather pretty bleak, we can use all the help we can get. <s>

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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#8 of 35

     Posted Oct-25 5:07 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.8 Message 197515.8 replying to 197515.7 197515.7 ]    

>>With the days growing shorter, and the weather pretty bleak, we can use all the help we can get. <s> <<

You can say that again! And the sun's angle is so low that even at mid-day, I feel disoriented.
 I remember reading a science fiction short story years ago that recounted how the space travelers found themselves disoriented after landing on a planet where the sun was always low in the sky. I feel like they must have when it's this time of year. I know in my brain that it will be better by March, but I hate it anyway.  The only good thing is that the ornamental grasses are prettily backlit.

d

 

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#9 of 35

     Posted Oct-25 5:15 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.9 Message 197515.9 replying to 197515.8 197515.8 ]    
>>The only good thing is that the ornamental grasses are prettily backlit.<<

That was the first thing I thought of when you wrote about the sun's angle being so low. It's fascinating to watch ordinary things change by the way the sun's light hit them. I'm often tempted to get out the camera and catch the way the sun zeros in on a particular plant or statue, making it more noticeable than usual.

That's an interesting angle, those space travelers disoriented after landing on a planet where the sun was always low in the sky. I wonder if the author had "our" problem? <s>

March...sign, although it doesn't seem possible, it'll be here before we know it.

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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#10 of 35

     Posted Oct-25 5:26 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.10 Message 197515.10 replying to 197515.9 197515.9 ]    

So, get out the camera! <g> I just remembered to put my camera in my purse after missing a great chance while on my way to the grocery store this week. There was a whole bank of ornamental grasses, not only backlit, but heavy with dew.

I suspect that the author also had the same problem. I've asked dozens of people and most don't even notice it, though some experience "flicker vertigo" while driving along a tree- lined road with the tree shadows crossing it.

d

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#11 of 35

     Posted Oct-27 4:53 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.11 Message 197515.11 replying to 197515.10 197515.10 ]    
>>So, get out the camera! <g> I just remembered to put my camera in my purse after missing a great chance while on my way to the grocery store this week. There was a whole bank of ornamental grasses, not only backlit, but heavy with dew.<<

I know! <g> No good just talking about getting out the camera. I did take a picture with my cell phone, but it just didn't capture the sun's rays on the hydrangea blooms that were just picked a few days ago. They were the last on the plants on the front porch, and sure enough, they had those light-colored spiders on them just like the other blooms. <g> We brought the planters in and will keep them in the unheated part of the building here where they'll get plenty of sun from the east garage window. That's where we kept them last year, their first year.

The camera is usually in the studio which is closer to the garden and creek, and handy for pictures of the ducks and stuff. Too bad you didn't have yours with you when you spotted those ornamental grasses. Hope you get another chance.

>>I suspect that the author also had the same problem. I've asked dozens of people and most don't even notice it, though some experience "flicker vertigo" while driving along a tree- lined road with the tree shadows crossing it.<<

That's a term I hadn't heard before ("flicker vertigo"), but I've experienced it. It can drive you bananas, even though the scenery can be very beautiful. I can recall having feelings of sadness every autumn, even as a teenager, but never heard about SAD until a decade or so ago. That explained those feelings of melancholy, sadness, "endings"... It doesn't feel like depression; it's difficult to explain.

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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#12 of 35

     Posted Oct-27 7:07 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.12 Message 197515.12 replying to 197515.11 197515.11 ]    

I remember when  I was a teenager and got straight A's in September, then as the year progressed, my grades dropped to B's and even some C's. I was accused of slacking, but I couldn't help it. By March, the grades were going back up, and in April and May, straight A's again. My parents, the teacher and the guidance counselor were convinced that it was their threatening that made my grades go up, but I just couldn't help it in the winter. There were days when I could barely get out of bed and get to school, let alone study. It sounds like you experienced much the same thing.  There wasn't any such thing as S.A.D. back then, at least not anything that I heard.

d

 

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     Posted Oct-28 4:42 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.13 Message 197515.13 replying to 197515.12 197515.12 ]    
>>My parents, the teacher and the guidance counselor were convinced that it was their threatening that made my grades go up, but I just couldn't help it in the winter. There were days when I could barely get out of bed and get to school, let alone study.<<

That must've been hard on you, and now I'm wondering how many school kids these days have that same problem and whether or not it's recognized for what it is: SAD.

Now that those feelings are hardly there - probably because of the full-spectrum lighting - I get to enjoy the autumn days. I never understood why feelings of sadness were so prevalent at a time when nature was putting on such a gorgeous show.

Two of the overhead lights in the studio were nearly burned out and my husband replaced them with regular bulbs a few weeks ago. There's a very noticeable difference, mainly they're much dimmer, and I think I'm going to look for the 5,000K bulbs that were there before. The sun isn't going to be very visible all week.

Are the mice starting to come into the basement? They are here! <s>

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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#14 of 35

     Posted Oct-28 6:28 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.14 Message 197515.14 replying to 197515.13 197515.13 ]    

One of the things that might help, if the gloom gets to you, is increasing the number of "daylight" hours by having lights on timers that go on early in the morning or stay on later at night. You may not need them where you are, but here, sunrise isn't until 7:53, though on a clear morning, it starts to get light at a little after 7:30. We're losing almost 2 seconds of daylight every day.

I haven't heard any mice yet, but with 4 indoor cats and one outside feral that we're trying to tame, perhaps they've gotten the "no vacancy" idea.

d

 


Edited Oct-28   by  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
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#15 of 35

     Posted Oct-30 4:07 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.15 Message 197515.15 replying to 197515.14 197515.14 ]    
Thanks, that's a great idea to put a light on a timer. I've looked at a couple of gadgets that come on just prior to the alarm - if that's what they're set at - that are supposed to duplicate morning sunlight. But it would be cheaper to just put a full-spectrum light bulb in a lamp near the bed and set that with a timer. I'm going to try and get that together this weekend.

Some mornings I can't believe the sun isn't up yet, especially on these rainy mornings; and as you say, we're losing seconds every day. You get up in the dark and come home in the dark. Ack!

>>I haven't heard any mice yet, but with 4 indoor cats and one outside feral that we're trying to tame, perhaps they've gotten the "no vacancy" idea.<<

We've caught one mouse already down in the basement. I don't let our 3 indoor cats down there because there are too many places there that they might get into trouble. It's a house built in the late 1800s and there seems to be a space between the "ceiling" and the wall. They could get right up there by walking on the old cistern spot that's right beside the stairway.

The chipmonks are also a problem. They set up home under the front hood of the car last year and I never got around to putting mothballs in there. I think that's what someone suggested. I also find birdseed all over...in the glove compartment of our last car, in the attic in bags of clothing and boxes of junk...even in my winter boots once.

I put them on, never noticing anything was in them, probably because I was wearing thick socks. I happened to be going for a massage, and when I took them off in the dressing room, all this bird seed flew all over the floor. I couldn't stop laughing. <g>

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton

Edited Oct-30   by  Bobbie
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#16 of 35

     Posted Oct-30 4:26 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.16 Message 197515.16 replying to 197515.15 197515.15 ]    

I'm all too familiar with old houses. We used to live in a duplex that had been converted from a 150+ year old barn and blacksmith shop. If that building is still standing, it's about 200 years old. There were so many ways to get behind a wall or into a ceiling it wasn't funny. It had a rock foundation and every year, we'd chink the spaces between the stones to keep it together. Not too many months  after we moved, the owner had to do major foundation repairs. He didn't believe us (or didn't want to bother since he had us to do it) when we'd tell him what was falling apart each week. He just left it to us to fix it.

Chipmunks are a real nuisance, aren't they, the way they store food?  And in your boots, too! I haven't seen any signs in our attic, but only because I haven't been up there. When my parents were moving, we found that they had somehow gotten into their finished basement (into the well-used storage and shop area) and stored a few pounds of seed in rolls of carpet. Can you bait them with peanut better and carry them away someplace?

What I do with the lights is to have them go on at intervals starting down the hall so that the light increases gradually, like natural sunlight. I can't imagine having a full spectrum light shining on me without warning.

d

 


Edited Oct-30   by  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
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     Posted Oct-31 2:07 AM   
Carol D./N CA zone 9
 
From  Carol D./N CA zone 9  Posts 651  Last 12:11 AM
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.17 Message 197515.17 replying to 197515.15 197515.15 ]    
>>>I don't let our 3 indoor cats down there because there are too many places there that they might get into trouble. It's a house built in the late 1800s and there seems to be a space between the "ceiling" and the wall.<<<

Good idea.  One of my sister's cats somehow got into a bedroom wall of their 1910 house and had kittens there.  They had to open up the lath & plaster wall to get them out, and never did figure out how she got in.  We had squirrels get into the attic of our last house through the space where a vent screen was missing; they didn't do any damage but were kind of noisy, and we then fixed the vent. 

Carol
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#18 of 35

     Posted Nov-2 11:56 AM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197515.18 Message 197515.18 replying to 197515.16 197515.16 ]    
There's something to be said about old houses, and ours was talking to me from the very first time we drove by and saw the "For Sale" sign. We've been here since February, 1985. Our basement has fieldstone walls and I think that's what keeps it from getting that "basement odor" that even new homes can have. There are a couple of tree trunks holding up parts of the basement. <g> They're painted green, btw. The former owner did that. Someone wisely put in some steel beams at some point. As far as we know, the former owner lived here from the 1940s until we bought it. It used to be farmland, but it's now been built up all around us and the town moved all its business to newly built buildings about 2 miles away. It's the center of town with all the conveniences, but it still feels like a little bit of country with the creek and 2 acres and tons of big, old trees and hedge.

It's a hoot to watch the chipmonks fill their chubby little cheeks with birdseed and then jump down into the holes they're made around the yard. They dig little holes for the acorns, too, and you get to watch them look for them later on. I love it when there are about 4 of them running around after each other. Cartoon time!

Speaking of peanut butter bait, that's what David uses for the mouse trap in the basement. I don't like it, but that's what he wants to do, and it does work. Why he has to use the good stuff (Arrowroot), I don't know. <s> We have a Have-a-Heart cage but would probably only catch a mouse, not the chipmonks.

>>What I do with the lights is to have them go on at intervals starting down the hall so that the light increases gradually, like natural sunlight. I can't imagine having a full spectrum light shining on me without warning.<<

<s> That's an image, all right. The bulbs can be low wattage, and if they don't shine directly in my face I think it'll work. I couldn't find the timer so might have to buy another one. I prefer to find the new one that hasn't been used yet. It wasn't quite so bad this morning, between setting the clocks back and the fact that it wasn't raining out.

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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#19 of 35

     Posted Nov-2 12:02 PM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13552  Last Nov-21
To  Bobbie      [Msg # 197515.19 Message 197515.19 replying to 197515.18 197515.18 ]    

Our old place had tree trunks for beams, too. I think that the landlord had to replace them with beams after we left, and before shoring up the walls.

You need a pretty small hav-a-hart trap for chipmunks. Otherwise they panic and shove their heads through the holes and can't get back out.

It wasn't too bad yesterday morning for me, either, but it was awfully miserable when it was dark so early. This morning was cloudy, so back to the old grind. :-(

d

 

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     Posted Nov-2 12:05 PM   
Bobbie
 
From  Bobbie  Posts 138  Last Nov-18
To  Carol D./N CA zone 9      [Msg # 197515.20 Message 197515.20 replying to 197515.17 197515.17 ]    
Cats love to give birth in the strangest places, although I'm sure they think they're protecting them by putting them in very secretive places, away from predators. We went through that with a feral cat who gave birth to 4 kittens in our garage. Your sister must've been frantic when the cats got into that bedroom wall and had to be rescued.

In a former, old house, my husband was re-sanding the upstairs floors and removed a weird vent on the floor. I told him over and over to make sure our 2 cats wern't around, but somehow one of them managed to sneak into the room and get through that vent, ending up just beneath the ask flooring.  I panicked, but finally coaxed him out by shaking a box of cat food. <s> All sorts of images went through my mind, including him somehow ending up in a furnace vent!

Our Siamese seem to hear something in the attic every winter. They'll be sleeping in the bed and suddenly look up at the ceiling or at a wall, and sometimes you hear a little scratching sound. I don't know whether it's a squirrel or a chipmonk or maybe a mouse. Whatever it is, they love to store seed up there. <s>

If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - Gen. George Patton
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