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Decalcifying hot water pipes?

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#1 of 10

     Posted Oct-22 4:08 PM   
groucho
 
From  groucho  Posts 488  Last Nov-17
To  All      [Msg # 16531.1 ]    

I'm looking at some hot water pipes in FloriDUH that might have been 1/2 or 3/8 when they were new but that wonderful water has then choked down to maybe 1/4 after 20 years.

Yes, the right thing to do would be to tear open walls and ceilings (the pipes run the ceilings) and run new ones. That ain't gonna happen, too much fuss, too much repainting , too much for the elderly residents.

But I've been wondering about an alternative some folks have raised, of draining the hot water tank, plugging the lines where they would enter it, and then pumping CLR or LimeAway or even muriatic acid back into the hot water lines, all the way from the tank to the showerheads and faucets. And then flush and repeat.

The stuff DOES break down mineral deposits, so it sounds like it might work. Has anyone actually had experience, success, or disaster doing this? Or found another way to rejuvenate old pipes?

In the worst case, we couldn't even snake in new PEX and abandon the old ones, too many holes too much painting and plastering would have to be done.

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     Posted Oct-22 9:55 PM   
John Barreiro
 
From  John Barreiro  Posts 34  Last Nov-19
To  groucho      [Msg # 16531.2 Message 16531.2 replying to 16531.1 16531.1 ]    
Never tried that but right off the top of my head I can think of at least two potential disasters:

There could be some weak areas in the pipe where the acid could start eating away at the pipe= Leaks, maybe not right away but possible in the future.
Also you could get a monumental clog (or clogs) somewhere which will render the whole exercise moot.

Having said that.... the steam industry routinely runs de-scaling processes so you might want to inquire as to how those folks do it.
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     Posted Oct-23 1:36 PM   
groucho
 
From  groucho  Posts 488  Last Nov-17
To  John Barreiro      [Msg # 16531.3 Message 16531.3 replying to 16531.2 16531.2 ]    
First off, where do I find a guy who routinely does 40" steam mains, and then, how do I explain to him that this is only 1/2" pipe? <G>
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     Posted Oct-23 5:09 PM   
John Barreiro
 
From  John Barreiro  Posts 34  Last Nov-19
To  groucho      [Msg # 16531.4 Message 16531.4 replying to 16531.3 16531.3 ]    
Hey, I offered a solution; you work out the details <bg>

There is bound to be stuff on the web regarding de-calcifying water lines.
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     Posted Oct-27 12:12 AM   
groucho
 
From  groucho  Posts 488  Last Nov-17
To  John Barreiro      [Msg # 16531.5 Message 16531.5 replying to 16531.4 16531.4 ]    

You're right, the ever-helpful Alibaba.com instantly offered a hundred "most best quality casting house" sources in China who would make up that 40-inch-to-one-half-inch (specify OD or ID and thread or flange) casting adapter for me. Brass, bronze, stainless, whatever you want, you can find on the internet.

 

I'm more inclined to just disconnect the outlet from the hot water heater and start pouring a gallon of CLR into each shower head until something green runs out the back end, then stick a cork in it and let it soak for a few hours. If the pipe actually FAILS....that's covered under a service agreement.

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     Posted Oct-27 12:50 AM   
John Barreiro
 
From  John Barreiro  Posts 34  Last Nov-19
To  groucho      [Msg # 16531.6 Message 16531.6 replying to 16531.5 16531.5 ]    
That should help.
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     Posted Nov-3 10:23 AM   
caljeanmid
 
From  caljeanmid  Posts 103  Last Nov-3
To  groucho      [Msg # 16531.7 Message 16531.7 replying to 16531.5 16531.5 ]    

I'm more inclined to just disconnect the outlet from the hot water heater and start pouring a gallon of CLR into each shower head until something green runs out the back end, then stick a cork in it and let it soak for a few hours.

That sounds good to me. I might do it in the other direction.  But for a different problem.

I chlorinated my system a year ago, according to the well drillers instructions. Poured two bottles of bleach down the well and let the garden hose run back into the well for an hour. That ensured mixing and the entire house system was chlorinated. The water tasted of chlorine for a week, but it supposedly killed all the iron-loving bacteria that had been making the water stink. But now, the hot water stinks again. I have been trying to figure a way to disinfect just the hot water part of the system. I guess I could disconnect or shut off the tank from the system. Attach a garden hose to the tank drain and start it draining. Pour bleach into a shower head upstairs. Or into the cold water quick-connect to the tank. 

What do you think?

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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     Posted Nov-3 1:17 PM   
groucho
 
From  groucho  Posts 488  Last Nov-17
To  caljeanmid      [Msg # 16531.8 Message 16531.8 replying to 16531.7 16531.7 ]    

Kill the iron-loving bacteria that make the water stink??

I'd heard of anaerobic bacteria living on a sulfur cycle making water stink, never heard of iron-loving critters doing it. And would assume they'd come up form the ground with the well water, so killing them wouldn't accomplish much unless you back-pressurized the earth beneath your property. But, hey, I'm not Michael Crichton.<G>

I guess if there are bacteria in the hot water tank and supply, chlorinating it could work. BUT chlorine can do lots of damage to plastics and aluminum parts, and IIRC to copper as well, so I'd be reluctant to use it. I think brewers use sodium metabisulphite, which should be available from your local (ha) home-brew-supply store, and I'd suggest using that instead.

I hate to say it, but a water filtering/treatment device at the wellhead may be the only real effective solution. IF this is a bacterial problem, that could be as simply as adding a UV-C light source to the plumbing. Intense UV-C light literally breaks up the DNA of anything in the water, including protozoa, bacteria and virus, and guarantees that whatever gets past it is DEAD DEAD DEAD. Not terribly expensive, one you get past the tainless-and-quartz-glass housing that the lamp needs to be installed in, either.

 

You may still need to prefilter any sediment, pr remove excess minerals, etc., but the UV-C alone gives you a 100% kill on all the critters.


Edited Nov-3   by  groucho
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     Posted Nov-3 2:19 PM   
caljeanmid
 
From  caljeanmid  Posts 103  Last Nov-3
To  groucho      [Msg # 16531.9 Message 16531.9 replying to 16531.8 16531.8 ]    

I'd heard of anaerobic bacteria living on a sulfur cycle making water stink, never heard of iron-loving critters doing it. And would assume they'd come up form the ground with the well water, so killing them wouldn't accomplish much unless you back-pressurized the earth beneath your property.

That is possible. But I am hoping that they are in the pipes. The cold water does not stink.

FWIW we had a new 90 ft well put in a couple of years ago because the old well pipe was leaking and rusty. Hopefully that was the only source of iron. I assumed the stink then was from infiltrating surface or shallow water.

Now I add iron remover to the water softener and I hope that will keep any new bacteria from growing. Chlorinating the hot water tank will be a temporary experiment. I will keep your UV idea in mind.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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     Posted Nov-3 2:23 PM   
caljeanmid
 
From  caljeanmid  Posts 103  Last Nov-3
To  John Barreiro      [Msg # 16531.10 Message 16531.10 replying to 16531.2 16531.2 ]    

I can think of at least two potential disasters:

There could be some weak areas in the pipe where the acid could start eating away at the pipe=

I would not worry about that, as muriatic acid cleans copper. And lime, which is presumably entering the system constantly, will neutralize any acid residue. However, if he does treat the system with acid (I think it would work) it will generate a lot of carbon dioxide gas, so he will have to accommodate its venting. Lots of fizzing.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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