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Losing Israel

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     Posted Oct-26 9:58 AM   
Dick Weltz
 
From  Dick Weltz  Posts 5378  Last Nov-21
To  All      [Msg # 194642.1 ]    

October 26, 2009    courtesy AmericanThinker.com 

Losing Israel

By Bill Warner

When America entered the war in Vietnam, Ho Chi Min said that it would be a long war and that the communists would win by using propaganda in the media and the universities. He was correct.

It is time to take stock in the war between Israelis and the Palestinians and deal with some forbidden subjects. Israel is losing the propaganda war, hasbarah, and for a very good reason.

Israel is not in the hasbarah game, unless one counts belated responses to the Palestinians' propaganda offensives. Pierre Rehov, a Moroccan French Jew, is a documentary filmmaker. He claims that the Palestinians have made over 50 propaganda movies, while Israel has done only 8. Of those eight, Mr. Rehov made six.

Why don't Jews and Israel want to deal with propaganda? Simple. It would mean talking about Islam. Jews and Israel must face the facts that the Koran and the Sunna (the actions and words of Mohammed) are filled with invectives against the Jews. At first the words were complimentary, but when the Jews of Medina rejected Mohammed as a prophet they were all enslaved, exiled, murdered and robbed -- all acts of jihad. These were not historical acts, but perfect examples of Islamic action towards Jews -- models prescribed for Muslims to follow up to the present time. To illustrate the severity of this predicament, statistically speaking, in the Koran of Medina 10.6% of the text is devoted to Jew hatred, whereas, only 6.8% of Mein Kampf is devoted to Jew hatred.

The language and actions of Palestinians and all Muslims in general are directly approved by Islamic political theological doctrine. Not only the language, but also policy is set by the Islamic political doctrine. To repeat: political doctrine -- a political theological doctrine of jihad against all kafirs.

Yet, it seems until now that both Jews and Israel choose annihilation over talking about Islam. It is simply not an acceptable subject matter. Political correctness prevails over survival. Unfortunately, these are suicidal choices. It is obvious that the ADL and the Jewish Federations for example, are only two Jewish organizations that have corporate polices of not discussing Islamic political ideology.

The ADL will admit that there are a "few" radical Muslims, and would gladly argue in public that except for a few Muslim extremists, Islam is not the problem. ADL is the first to argue that Jews and Christians have their share of crazies and they are no different from the Muslims. This is the ultimate multiculturalist view, which may well lead to a disaster for Israel and aid in the demise of Western civilization.

Since a propaganda war is about the use of intelligence, one would think that the Israelis would be the world's best and the Muslims would be the worst. Look at Nobel prizes, especially in the sciences. Israelis win them by the handful compared to the Arab world. But in the hasbarah, public relations, the Israelis are lazy fools and the Palestinians are industrious geniuses.

Israeli government officials who will comment off the record say that as a government, Israel cannot launch a propaganda war over Islam.

And, if Israel were to launch an ideological war, who would be the target audience? The ultimate target would be the secular and liberal Jews of America and Israel, who are the near enemy. If you can launch a hasbarah campaign that would open their eyes, enough of the world would tag along.

Otherwise, if the Israelis continue to think that they can keep scoring military victories and by that win this ideological war, they are fools and worse. America won the Tet offensive on the battlefield, but lost the propaganda war in the media and the universities, exactly as Ho Chi Min predicted.

As a brilliant example of ideological war, revisit Netanyahu's UN speech on September 24, 2009. He laid out the civilizational differences between Holocaust deniers and Israel. The same arguments about civilization should apply to the war between the Palestinians and Jews in Israel. This is because the Israel/Palestinian conflict is no different than the jihad in Kashmir, India, the Philippines, or in dozens of fronts in Africa.

After the Mumbai terror attack, the Jewish community in Nashville, TN had a rally at a synagogue. They prayed for peace in Israel.  The same day, Christian supporters of Israel held a rally, and they prayed for Israel's victory.

Now, which one of the two maintains a stronger position -- peace or victory? Today Israel desires peace and the Palestinians insist on victory. Guess who wins? Peace is for losers. Regrettably, Israelis and American Jews are choosing to be the losers. The consequences however are too dire; ultimately, Israel may get their peace, but it may be the peace after jihad's victory.

Ironically, Israelis and Jews abroad are not the only ones in a state of denial about Islamic politics; they just happen to be at the frontline. President Bush demonstrated after 9/11 that he too had no clue how to fight this Islamic ideological war. Instead of using military force against our enemies, he and his successor- President Obama should have declared ideological war against our true enemy-political Islam.

They seem to lose their war and so will Israel unless some tough questions are faced and actions are taken.

 
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     Posted Nov-4 7:59 PM   
Raanan & Rhea
 
From  Raanan & Rhea  Posts 721  Last Nov-21
To  Dick Weltz      [Msg # 194642.2 Message 194642.2 replying to 194642.1 194642.1 ]    
Dick,
 
I'll just pick up a few items here:
 
<<The ADL will admit that there are a "few" radical Muslims, and would gladly argue in public that except for a few Muslim extremists, Islam is not the problem. ADL is the first to argue that Jews and Christians have their share of crazies and they are no different from the Muslims. This is the ultimate multiculturalist view, which may well lead to a disaster for Israel and aid in the demise of Western civilization.>>
 
 1984 is over, but Mr. Warner is saying:  responsibility, sanity, understanding nuance and search for honesty is bad; pure hatred is good;  peace is war; war is peace.

<<Since a propaganda war is about the use of intelligence, one would think that the Israelis would be the world's best and the Muslims would be the worst. Look at Nobel prizes, especially in the sciences. Israelis win them by the handful compared to the Arab world. But in the hasbarah, public relations, the Israelis are lazy fools and the Palestinians are industrious geniuses.>>
 
So emulate the worst of the enemy? [Do we cancel being a light unto the nations?]

Otherwise, if the Israelis continue to think that they can keep scoring military victories and by that win this ideological war, they are fools and worse. America won the Tet offensive on the battlefield, but lost the propaganda war in the media and the universities, exactly as Ho Chi Min predicted.
 
There was a lot of US propaganda, daily! But theirs made more sense to more people in the USA

 <<This is because the Israel/Palestinian conflict is no different than the jihad in Kashmir, India, the Philippines, or in dozens of fronts in Africa.>>
 
But they're not. [And the Israeli Arabs basically get along with the Israeli Jews.] Mr. Warners' account just makes it easier to not think, and not plan what is a difficult strategy.

 
After the Mumbai terror attack, the Jewish community in Nashville, TN had a rally at a synagogue. They prayed for peace in Israel.  The same day, Christian supporters of Israel held a rally, and they prayed for Israel's victory.
 
Dick, I had forgotten. I'm mighty proud of the Nashville Jews. We pray fervently for peace in Israel as part of our shul services, n'est pas?
 
If  Bill Warner weren't so extreme, he might win some moderates to his side. Not this way, not with ugliness and hatred at the fore. He might say that it is warranted in this situation, but I and many don't trust anyone who is afraid of beauty, greys, and humanness.

Rhea
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     Posted Nov-5 10:38 AM   
Dick Weltz
 
From  Dick Weltz  Posts 5378  Last Nov-21
To  Raanan & Rhea      [Msg # 194642.3 Message 194642.3 replying to 194642.2 194642.2 ]    

If  Bill Warner weren't so extreme, he might win some moderates to his side. Not this way, not with ugliness and hatred at the fore. He might say that it is warranted in this situation, but I and many don't trust anyone who is afraid of beauty, greys, and humanness.

Peace is nice but hard toi achieve when some other guy is relentlessly out to maim and kill you. The radical Islamists have taken control of that religion -- the supposed "peace-loving moderates" playing the same role as the peace-lovers in Nazi Germany, Tojo's Japan, and Stalin's USSR -- and are irrationally hell-bent for murder, terror, and conquest aimed at Western countries and Western values.

The world is full of evidence easily seen except by the "kumbaya" utopians who'd get us all killed if they had their way. Our own founding fathers, along with a lot of the smarter philosophers, have always made it plain that in the real world, freedom and peace can't be wished into existence but very often must be fought for with blood and treasure.

It's even worse in today's times, when the enemies of peace and freedom are total crazies who cannot be reasoned with or controlled with threats of force (you do know about North Korea).

 

 

 

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