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#1 of 36

     Posted Nov-3 7:06 AM   
Ev
 
From  Ev  Posts 2429  Last Nov-21
To  All      [Msg # 33765.1 ]    
My advisor sent me this - I really did not understand it.


Sept. 30, 2009 - new Good Things Come to Those Who Wait - by DFA Trader John Romiza

Related to the above reference - the excellent IFA website on main page on right side offers current articles - one is more informative than the next:

http://www.ifa.com/




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     Posted Nov-3 8:18 AM   
Lowell Herr
 
From  Lowell Herr  Posts 9381  Last Nov-21
To  Ev      [Msg # 33765.2 Message 33765.2 replying to 33765.1 33765.1 ]    
http://www.ifa.com/
Right on.  IFA is the best investment web site on the Internet - at least the top one I've ever located.  Hebner's book also makes my top five list.

Lowell

http://www.lherr.org/blog/
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     Posted Nov-3 8:19 AM   
Dan Hess
 
From  Dan Hess  Posts 4719  Last Nov-21
To  Ev      [Msg # 33765.3 Message 33765.3 replying to 33765.1 33765.1 ]    

Sept. 30, 2009 - new Good Things Come to Those Who Wait - by DFA Trader John Romiza

I interpret this to mean DFA adds some level of active portfolio mgmt by being patient when stock spreads show a better opportunity may present itself by being patient.  This may or may not help achieve a low tracking error to their index.  I think this may also apply since DFA may be investing in large sums that could influence the market especially in the more volatile emerging and international markets where the author is involved.

Dan

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     Posted Nov-3 8:24 AM   
Ev
 
From  Ev  Posts 2429  Last Nov-21
To  Dan Hess      [Msg # 33765.4 Message 33765.4 replying to 33765.3 33765.3 ]    
OK thanks - I appreciate the interpretation.
It was a foreign language to me -
ev




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     Posted Nov-3 8:28 AM   
Ev
 
From  Ev  Posts 2429  Last Nov-21
To  Lowell Herr      [Msg # 33765.5 Message 33765.5 replying to 33765.2 33765.2 ]    
All you'd ever want to know about passive investing is there. 
To note all those different sections are also now on youtube video for those that are auditory learners.
In another thread I referenced the site for Bob, who was looking for "evidence"
ev





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     Posted Nov-3 8:51 AM   
Lowell Herr
 
From  Lowell Herr  Posts 9381  Last Nov-21
To  Ev      [Msg # 33765.6 Message 33765.6 replying to 33765.5 33765.5 ]    
All you'd ever want to know about passive investing is there. 
To note all those different sections are also now on youtube video for those that are auditory learners.
In another thread I referenced the site for Bob, who was looking for "evidence"
Yes, I've read Hebner's book, use it as a reference, and have spoken with him several times on the phone.  Good guy, although I do think 90 basis points is too high for money management and that is why I have not turned some money over to them for management.

Where I find Hebner's book very useful is his reference to academic articles.  I have original copies of most of many he recommends.  Some are difficult reading for me as I do not have the required statistics background.

When it comes to asset allocation studies, more work needs to be done on adding additional asset classes to the studies.  The Brinson and Ibbotson studies, for example, are limited to equities, bonds, and cash.  Someone needs to dig in and break these down into smaller asset classes involving cap size, value, and growth.  Then they need to add emerging markets, developed international markets, REITs, international REITs, commodities, private equity, etc.  I've not seen such a study.  Endowment funds use a variety of asset classes to construct their portfolios so the data should be available for additional research.

Lowell


http://www.lherr.org/blog/
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     Posted Nov-3 3:57 PM   
Bob
 
From  Bob  Posts 5478  Last Nov-21
To  Ev      [Msg # 33765.7 Message 33765.7 replying to 33765.5 33765.5 ]    

Ev,

I have been to the IFA site.  Even skimmed the book.  I felt it was a selling job.

Bob

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#8 of 36

     Posted Nov-3 4:07 PM   
Lowell Herr
 
From  Lowell Herr  Posts 9381  Last Nov-21
To  Bob      [Msg # 33765.8 Message 33765.8 replying to 33765.7 33765.7 ]    
I have been to the IFA site.  Even skimmed the book.  I felt it was a selling job.
No one denies the book is designed to attract clients to IFA.  Having said that, it does not take too much away from the meat that is in the book.  What Hebner, and his staff, have done is to put together one of the most complete references for taking the index investing route and eschewing stock picking.  Of course he would like readers to bring their money to him to manage using DFA index funds.  The argument is that by using DFA funds, one will gain back the management fees - and then some.

Lowell

http://www.lherr.org/blog/
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     Posted Nov-3 4:16 PM   
Bob
 
From  Bob  Posts 5478  Last Nov-21
To  Lowell Herr      [Msg # 33765.9 Message 33765.9 replying to 33765.8 33765.8 ]    

Lowell,

Nancy said it best in a earlier post, investing is different for each individual.  As I continue to change my view on investing the current view is:  Diversify, minimize fees/costs, let the market grow your money, and as the end date nears become more risk averse to save capital.  How you do that whether it is AA, stocks, mutuals, ETFs, commodities, etc makes little different.

Bob

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#10 of 36

     Posted Nov-3 4:28 PM   
Lowell Herr
 
From  Lowell Herr  Posts 9381  Last Nov-21
To  Bob      [Msg # 33765.10 Message 33765.10 replying to 33765.9 33765.9 ]    
Nancy said it best in a earlier post, investing is different for each individual.  As I continue to change my view on investing the current view is:  Diversify, minimize fees/costs, let the market grow your money, and as the end date nears become more risk averse to save capital.  How you do that whether it is AA, stocks, mutuals, ETFs, commodities, etc makes little different.
Bob,

I agree with the idea that we all make different decisions when it comes to investing styles.  I've certainly changes several times through my investing career.  Some build portfolios through stock selection while others hire outside money managers.  There are those, like Bogle, who are 100% invested in index funds of some mix. 

I lean toward index investing as that is what I glean from the academic research.  However, I'm not an index purest as I need to add a few individual stocks in order to pull down the overall risk of the portfolio with some low correlation equities.  I call it a Mosaic approach to investing and I don't think the process is all that easy to duplicate as I am still learning.

Lowell



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#11 of 36

     Posted Nov-3 4:46 PM   
Lowell Herr
 
From  Lowell Herr  Posts 9381  Last Nov-21
To  Dan Hess      [Msg # 33765.11 Message 33765.11 replying to 33765.3 33765.3 ]    
I interpret this to mean DFA adds some level of active portfolio mgmt by being patient when stock spreads show a better opportunity may present itself by being patient.  This may or may not help achieve a low tracking error to their index.  I think this may also apply since DFA may be investing in large sums that could influence the market especially in the more volatile emerging and international markets where the author is involved.
Dan et. al.,

The disciplined trading employed by DFA is one of the primary reasons their funds edge out similar index funds from Vanguard and iShares.

Lowell

http://www.lherr.org/blog/
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     Posted Nov-3 4:51 PM   
Bob
 
From  Bob  Posts 5478  Last Nov-21
To  Lowell Herr      [Msg # 33765.12 Message 33765.12 replying to 33765.10 33765.10 ]    

I lean toward index investing as that is what I glean from the academic research.  However, I'm not an index purest as I need to add a few individual stocks in order to pull down the overall risk of the portfolio with some low correlation equities.  I call it a Mosaic approach to investing and I don't think the process is all that easy to duplicate as I am still learning.

Lowell,

You and Dan beat me up for dealing only in individual stocks.  Yet, both of you have a few individual stocks.  It appears you want it both ways.  Or maybe it is that I cannot pick the stocks. (G)

Bob

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     Posted Nov-3 5:46 PM   
Lowell Herr
 
From  Lowell Herr  Posts 9381  Last Nov-21
To  Bob      [Msg # 33765.13 Message 33765.13 replying to 33765.12 33765.12 ]    
You and Dan beat me up for dealing only in individual stocks.  Yet, both of you have a few individual stocks.  It appears you want it both ways.  Or maybe it is that I cannot pick the stocks. (G)
I think Dan holds more than a few. (g) 

The reason I hold a few individual stocks is tied to portfolio diversification.  By adding around five to ten highly selected stocks to the portfolio, I am able to pull down the overall risk of the portfolio and lift the diversification metric.  I am careful as to what stocks I select as they need to have a low correlation with the rest of the portfolio.

I recognize there are individuals who are good at portfolio construction through the use of individual stock.  But I would add this point.  Use a program such as the TLH spreadsheet to check your returns against a benchmark such as the VFINX or VTSMX.  Or even go one better and build a customized benchmark that fits your portfolio.  If one is holding bonds, then a benchmark that is 100% equities is inadequate.  The TLH spreadsheet, if one has the Holdings and Dashboard worksheets included, is ideally suited to calculate a customized benchmark.  Build in the Information Ratio worksheet and you are all set to test your stock picking abilities in that you can see how well you are performing with respect to the customized benchmark and what risk you are taking to achieve the results.  This is doable.

Lowell Herr

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     Posted Nov-3 5:58 PM   
Dan Hess
 
From  Dan Hess  Posts 4719  Last Nov-21
To  Bob      [Msg # 33765.14 Message 33765.14 replying to 33765.12 33765.12 ]    

Bob

You and Dan beat me up for dealing only in individual stocks.  Yet, both of you have a few individual stocks.  It appears you want it both ways.  Or maybe it is that I cannot pick the stocks. (G)

It certainly was not my attention to suggest I was beating you up. 

Yes I have a considerable number of stocks, something over 50 the last time I counted. For the most part they are US stocks with minimal exceptions such as BP.   However there are certain asset classes in which I do not feel comfortable in selecting individual stocks and thus I use ETFs to participate in these asset classes.  I think it important to participate in these asset classes since they are expected to grow faster than the developed economies and in addition offer diversification.  For example I desire to participate in asset classes such as US Small Cap Value, Emerging Markets, International REITs, Commodities, etc. I view countries like Indonesia and Vietnam as having desirable demographics and growth potential but I have no idea of which individual stocks to buy to participate in this opportunity. Thus I invest in the IDX and VNM ETFs to participate.

Thus I ask you two questions:

1) Do you choose to participate in any asset classes in which you are not comfortable in selecting individual stocks?

2) If the answer is yes how do you participate with other than ETF s or funds?  If no why not?

Dan  

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     Posted Nov-3 6:14 PM   
Bob
 
From  Bob  Posts 5478  Last Nov-21
To  Dan Hess      [Msg # 33765.15 Message 33765.15 replying to 33765.14 33765.14 ]    

Thus I ask you two questions:

1) Do you choose to participate in any asset classes in which you are not comfortable in selecting individual stocks?

2) If the answer is yes how do you participate with other than ETF s or funds?  If no why not?

Dan,

I must admit that there are opportunities in emerging markets.  I've given thought to BRIC, medical R&D and several other ETFs.  Those are out of my comfort zone however, I see great returns possible.  All the data I see says 2/3 of growth will be in ROW and I should invest there.  Again, I feel that the international stocks I have like JNJ, IBM, PFE, DOW, HOG can do better than I.  I'm still a "Doubting Tom" when it comes to ETFs.  I do wish you and other ETFers the best.

Bob     

p.s.  I'll be satisfied with my small dividend checks. (G)

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     Posted Nov-3 6:45 PM   
stansos
 
From  stansos  Posts 102  Last Nov-4
To  Lowell Herr      [Msg # 33765.16 Message 33765.16 replying to 33765.10 33765.10 ]    

Lowell,
In the Mosaic approach, is it possible to use one or more S&P sector ETF's (e.g., Vanguard sector ETF's) instead of individual stocks to decrease overall risk?

I ask this because choosing individual stocks, IMO, requires much more skill than choosing sectors. I don't have sufficient skill to choose individual stocks.

Stan Slater

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#17 of 36

     Posted Nov-3 7:19 PM   
Nancy Crays [Administrator]
 
From  Nancy Crays [Administrator]  Posts 837  Last Nov-21
To  Bob      [Msg # 33765.17 Message 33765.17 replying to 33765.15 33765.15 ]    

 I'll be satisfied with my small dividend checks.


You can receive dividends from ETFs too, some not so small.  I get montly dividends from BND (over 4%) and BSV (3%).  EWA, IDV and VIG pay decent dividends.  I'm sure others can tell you about other dividend paying ETFs.


Nancy C.
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     Posted Nov-3 7:40 PM   
Dan Hess
 
From  Dan Hess  Posts 4719  Last Nov-21
To  Bob      [Msg # 33765.18 Message 33765.18 replying to 33765.15 33765.15 ]    

I do wish you and other ETFers the best.

Okay and thank you for the best wishes.

I'll be satisfied with my small dividend checks. (G)

I do believe dividend yielding stocks will gain in favor over the next several years as we migrate into the new norm.  Thus dividend yields will become a larger part of one's returns when the economy and stocks grow at a slower rate.  Some stocks in my dividend arisocrats portfolio are ABT, AFL, JNJ, MDT and PEP.

As Nancy mentions there are many ETFs that also provide meaningful dividends..  Here are a few I hold with the yields based upon the last 12 months; DGS 5.1%, IDV 3.8%, VNQ 5.5% and VWO 3.0%.  These may sound low but if the typical stock grows in the 5-6% range I anticipate, dividend ields could once again become king.

I do admit estimating the future yield of an ETF is more difficult than a stock especially in this environment.

Of course the wild card with high yielding stocks or ETFs is what will they be taxed at in 2010 and beyond?

Dan

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     Posted Nov-3 8:41 PM   
Bob
 
From  Bob  Posts 5478  Last Nov-21
To  Lowell Herr      [Msg # 33765.19 Message 33765.19 replying to 33765.13 33765.13 ]    

The reason I hold a few individual stocks is tied to portfolio diversification.  By adding around five to ten highly selected stocks to the portfolio, I am able to pull down the overall risk of the portfolio and lift the diversification metric.  I am careful as to what stocks I select as they need to have a low correlation with the rest of the portfolio.

Lowell,

Couldn't you construct a entire portfolio using this method?

Bob

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     Posted Nov-3 8:45 PM   
Bob
 
From  Bob  Posts 5478  Last Nov-21
To  Nancy Crays [Administrator]      [Msg # 33765.20 Message 33765.20 replying to 33765.17 33765.17 ]    

You can receive dividends from ETFs too, some not so small.  I get montly dividends from BND (over 4%) and BSV (3%).  EWA, IDV and VIG pay decent dividends.  I'm sure others can tell you about other dividend paying ETFs.


Nancy,

How do you get the dividends?  Is each stock that gives a dividend then sent to you?  How is x-dividend computed as it surely is different for the stocks.  Can you reinvest the dividends or must you take the check?

Bob

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