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Did Clinton/Bush Protect America?

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#1 of 339

     Posted Sep-8 11:57 PM   
supremepuffy
 
From  supremepuffy  Posts 765  Last Nov-20
To  footless      [Msg # 226194.1 ]    

It is too bad, that the people of the USA, are being duped by the present administration and their underhanded tactics. 

Are you serious? Bush and his administration had no equal in the use under handed tatics.

It seems to me that we have not had another attack on our land since 9/11, because President Bush, was not afraid to take a hard stand.

Let me get this straight you are crediting Bush with protecting us when 9/11  was on his watch?? Amazing.

He didn't go around apologizing for the USA, the way the present person is.

No he didn't he just held hands and exchanged smootches with the Amirs of the countries that financed 9/11. He ignored N. Korea and they developed advanced nuclear technology. He inflamed tensions in the middle east by insulting Iran despite their helping in Afghanistan. He created more enemies for the U.S. than any President in history.

As far as torture goes, what we did

Was illegal inhumane and ineffective. It was a stupid strategery that back fired as the CIA reports have indicated.

They beheaded them without a trial and actually filmed it and then it was broadcast all over the world.

Yes they are brain washed religious fanatic barbarians.  We already knew that.

 What we did was tame compared to that.

Torture does not work. The only thing torture is good for is coercion and destroying every legal case we hoped to prosecute. What Bush did was to give the fanatics a legitimate example of our cruelty which our enemies used to recruit record numbers of jihadists/ suicide bombers, and inspire an increase in domestic terrorism. Thanks to Bush.

That is if we still have any freedom left and are not taking over by the Socialists.

I doubt you could even define the word.

I would back President Bush and his administration to the hilt.  I would not be looking to prosecute any of the administration.

Not for treason or compromising national security. Not for torture, illegal detention. Repeated assaults on the Constitutional rights of American citizens?? You embrace tyranny but abhor Socialism. Your priorities are not in order.

It is time that we get back to the way our founding fathers setup this country, based on the Christian religion.

This country was most certainly not established on Christianity. Crack a history book. Only agenda driven Creationists would dare to inject such absolute nonsense. 

When God is taken out of the government, the government will fail.

Who told you that your Pastor? Lol.

 

 

 

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     Posted Sep-9 1:03 AM   
footless
 
From  footless  Posts 4  Last Sep-9
To  supremepuffy      [Msg # 226194.2 Message 226194.2 replying to 226194.1 226194.1 ]    

I said that we have not had an attack since 9/11, Bush has kept us safe.  You need to really read what is written, not try to make it say what you want.

as far as making enemies the countries you are talking about wre already our enemies.  He did not hold hands with anybody.  N. Korea was already in the process of making itself a nuclear power.  nothing anybody did/does would make N. Korea stop.  it is a family run country.  It doesn't care about anything or anybody, but itself.

I guess you have not read all the available CIA reports, because you are wrong.  It was what helped us obtain the information we needed at the time we needed it. As far as the terrorist upping their recruting, it was happening anyway, regardless of what we did to the prisnors of war. Had nothing to do with what Bush administration did or did not do.

If you don't know the definition of the word, I am not going to be stupid enough to tell you.

There have been no assaults on the Constitutional Rights of any of us, until this administration came into office.  National security was not compromised.  And detention of prisinoers of war was proper according to the rules of war.

My priorities are in the right order, I am for FREEDOM, totally, not to be hindered by a socialist style government that we have at the present time.  They are rushing to push things through without even reading the bills.  they are appointing people , who are not put through the questioning of the Congress.  They are taking over industry, financing, and now health care.  We are the employers, not the government.  They are to listen and answer to us, which they are not doing.  Yes, we will loose all our freedoms in the next 3 years.

I suggest that you crack the history book and start reading before you make that statement.  Everything in history points to this country being built on the Christian religion. 

As a matter of fact, that statement came from our fore fathers and also a couple of former presidents.

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     Posted Sep-9 3:38 AM   
sbolert
 
From  sbolert  Posts 13806  Last 6:17 PM
To  supremepuffy      [Msg # 226194.3 Message 226194.3 replying to 226194.1 226194.1 ]    
9/11 was on his watch<<<

The FBI knew in 1998 that Al-Qaeda was planning to hijack airliners in the US to crash into buildings. President Clinton should have issued an 'executive order' to mandate secured bulletproof cockpit doors for national security reasons. Al-Qaeda originally scheduled the hijackings for 2000, but their pilots needed more training.

Bulletproof secure cockpit doors were mandated in 2001. They should have been mandated in 1998.


Sam

  

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     Posted Sep-9 4:07 AM   
supremepuffy
 
From  supremepuffy  Posts 765  Last Nov-20
To  footless      [Msg # 226194.4 Message 226194.4 replying to 226194.2 226194.2 ]    

I said that we have not had an attack since 9/11, Bush has kept us safe.  You need to really read what is written, not try to make it say what you want.

Typical back peddaling response that ignores reality. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch

as far as making enemies the countries you are talking about wre already our enemies.

Saudia Arabia is our enemy?

  He did not hold hands with anybody.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-27-2005/gorgeous-flowers

  N. Korea was already in the process of making itself a nuclear power.  nothing anybody did/does would make N. Korea stop.  it is a family run country.  It doesn't care about anything or anybody, but itself.

Poor Bush. It's such an amazing coincidence that all of these disasters keep happening on his watch.

I guess you have not read all the available CIA reports, because you are wrong.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/173870

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/20/gonzales-torture-cable/

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/cia
_documents_provide_little_cover_for_chen
ey_claims/

 

 It was what helped us obtain the information we needed at the time we needed it.

Please Provide proof of your statement.  According to everything I have read from the CIA and FBI. No such thing has ever happened.

 As far as the terrorist upping their recruting, it was happening anyway, regardless of what we did to the prisnors of war. Had nothing to do with what Bush administration did or did not do.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/sep/24/nation/na-intel24?pg=2

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28876-2005Feb16.html

If you don't know the definition of the word, I am not going to be stupid enough to tell you.

Considering everything else you've stated is bs. I AM Not surprised that you would run away from such a simple question.

There have been no assaults on the Constitutional Rights of any of us, until this administration came into office.

Of Course. Bush never violated the 4th AMENDMENT. Or suspended Habeus corpus. Or authorized torture.

 National security was not compromised.  And detention of prisinoers of war was proper according to the rules of war.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct3?language=printer

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/06/14/former_
diplomats_argue_bush_damages_national_security/

My priorities are in the right order, I am for FREEDOM, totally, not to be hindered by a socialist style government that we have at the present time. 

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/bush_
economics_wall_street_soc.html

They are rushing to push things through without even reading the bills.

I don't know of any Congress that ever has.  But I guess since the Democrats are in power it just started with OBAMA. Lol.

 they are appointing people , who are not put through the questioning of the Congress. 

You mean like Nixon, Reagan, and GHWB all did??

 They are taking over industry, financing, and now health care.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garn-St._Germain_Depository_Institutions_Act

http://www.larrydewitt.net/Essays/Reagan.htm

  We are the employers, not the government.  They are to listen and answer to us, which they are not doing.  Yes, we will loose all our freedoms in the next 3 years.

Hopefully you won't go out and water the tree of liberty.

I suggest that you crack the history book and start reading before you make that statement.  Everything in history points to this country being built on the Christian religion. 

I have cracked many a history book I even lernt sumthin bout it in college fore they gave me my degree in U.S. history.

As a matter of fact, that statement came from our fore fathers and also a couple of former presidents.

So what. Most of the founders were diests and had strong anti religious positions. Perhaps that is why GOD is never mentioned in the Constitution. Or perhaps that is why the Constitution clearly states that the U.S. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html


Edited Oct-17   by  John Linendoll
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     Posted Sep-9 11:25 AM   
footless
 
From  footless  Posts 4  Last Sep-9
To  supremepuffy      [Msg # 226194.5 Message 226194.5 replying to 226194.4 226194.4 ]    

I am sorry to say that you are the one who is BACK PEDALLING.  You are afraid that someone else might just be right and that hurts your ego, which seems to be quite large by the way you talk.

as for socialist, that is a person who believes ina dn supports the marxist way of living.

It is very funny that all you can do is quote MAIN STREAM MEDIA, who have done nothing but cater to the Democratic party since the campaign began.  They were the ones who made outrageous statements about all the oppents of the party.  They won't even investigate and report truthfully on anything, period.

It is time that people woke up and read 1984.  It is here and I am afraid you people will learn it too late.

And yes, God is very involved in our government and our lives.  Almost all of our forefathers admitted that the government can not run without God being acknowledged, that is why every session of Congress starts with a message and prayer from the Chaplin.  But they don't want us to acknowledge God, because that will work against them.  GOD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

as for you having a degree in history, i hope that you are not teaching, because that is one of the problems with this country, the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE NEA.

 

 

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#6 of 339

     Posted Sep-9 1:07 PM   
Dread
 
From  Dread  Posts 192  Last 4:33 PM
To  footless      [Msg # 226194.6 Message 226194.6 replying to 226194.2 226194.2 ]    

>> N. Korea was already in the process of making itself a nuclear power. nothing anybody did/does would make N. Korea stop. it is a family run country. It doesn't care about anything or anybody, but itself.<<

Former President Bill Clinton did a lot of diplomatic work with North Korea and actually came close to having a deal where North Korea would halt their nuclear program but he ran out of time. He handed over the entire process to the new Bush administration. Bush stopped all communication with North Korea for an 18 month 'review' and replaced all of Clinton's wins with Bush Doctrine, which is, "We dont deal with evil, we defeat it".
It totally backfired and North Korea expanded its nuclear program again. North Korea's nuclear and missile programs advanced more in the George W. Bush administration then they had in the Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Clinton administrations combined.

>>>>I guess you have not read all the available CIA reports, because you are wrong. It was what helped us obtain the information we needed at the time we needed it.<<<<

Ali Soufan is an FBI agent/interrogator. He was on the team that interrogated Abu Zubaydah, a senior Al Qaeda operative/terror attack planner.
Mr. Soufan testified before the House Judiciary Committee, in which he testifies on the use of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, among other things:

"These techniques, from an operational perspective, are ineffective, slow and unreliable, and as a result harmful to our efforts to defeat al Qaeda. (This is aside from the important additional considerations that they are un-American and harmful to our reputation and cause.)"

He goes on to say that most if not all of the intelligence they got from Abu Zubaydah was gained through non-enhanced techniques.

You can read the rest of his testimony here:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=3842&wit_id=7906

>>>As far as the terrorist upping their recruting, it was happening anyway, regardless of what we did to the prisnors of war. Had nothing to do with what Bush administration did or did not do.<<<

This is a short video clip interview with Matthew Alexander,a senior interrogator who conducted over 300 interrogations himself and supervised over 1000 interrogations.
He says the number one reason that other Muslims join in the fight against us is because of images they see of Americans torturing and abusing fellow Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYov5o5_2s

- Richard / Dread

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     Posted Sep-9 1:38 PM   
Roe
 
From  Roe  Posts 7411  Last Nov-3
To  sbolert      [Msg # 226194.7 Message 226194.7 replying to 226194.3 226194.3 ]    

They should have been mandated in 1998.============

Hind sight is always 20/20.  In saying so, this is not a tangeble argument.  Only a misrepresentation for a personal goal.

 

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. Thomas Jefferson

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#8 of 339

     Posted Sep-9 1:53 PM   
sbolert
 
From  sbolert  Posts 13806  Last 6:17 PM
To  Roe      [Msg # 226194.8 Message 226194.8 replying to 226194.7 226194.7 ]    

They should have been mandated in 1998.=

Hind sight is always 20/20.  In saying so, this is not a tangeble argument.  Only a misrepresentation for a personal goal.<

What personal goal would I have? I wasn't in the WTC on 9/11.


Sam




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#9 of 339

     Posted Sep-9 2:36 PM   
Roe
 
From  Roe  Posts 7411  Last Nov-3
To  sbolert      [Msg # 226194.9 Message 226194.9 replying to 226194.8 226194.8 ]    

What personal goal would I have? I wasn't in the WTC on 9/11.============

I did not say you were.  But you're not answering the question either.

Again, who is they???  Post 23...

Are you caught in a web of your own making again??

 

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. Thomas Jefferson

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     Posted Sep-9 2:43 PM   
sbolert
 
From  sbolert  Posts 13806  Last 6:17 PM
To  Roe      [Msg # 226194.10 Message 226194.10 replying to 226194.9 226194.9 ]    

The Oklahoma City bombing occurred on April 19, 1995 by Timothy McVeigh, with the assistance of Terry Nichols.


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     Posted Sep-9 2:51 PM   
Roe
 
From  Roe  Posts 7411  Last Nov-3
To  sbolert      [Msg # 226194.11 Message 226194.11 replying to 226194.10 226194.10 ]    

The Oklahoma City bombing occurred on April 19, 1995 by Timothy McVeigh, with the assistance of Terry Nichols.================

Were they Saudi Arabian?  You said a terrorist attack.  They are/were not even Islamic.  I suppose you can try again, maybe and more misrepresentations?

 

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. Thomas Jefferson


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     Posted Sep-9 4:34 PM   
sbolert
 
From  sbolert  Posts 13806  Last 6:17 PM
To  Roe      [Msg # 226194.12 Message 226194.12 replying to 226194.11 226194.11 ]    

The Oklahoma City bombing occurred on April 19, 1995 by Timothy McVeigh, with the assistance of Terry Nichols.

Were they Saudi Arabian?  You said a terrorist attack.  They are/were not even Islamic.<<<

What makes you think that a terrorist act has to be by an Islamic?
The Oklahoma bombing of the Federal Building was revenge for Bill Clinton's attorney general Janet Reno's mishandling of the Waco Incident.
 

Sam
  

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     Posted Sep-9 4:40 PM   
Roe
 
From  Roe  Posts 7411  Last Nov-3
To  sbolert      [Msg # 226194.13 Message 226194.13 replying to 226194.12 226194.12 ]    

What makes you think that a terrorist act has to be by an Islamic?
The Oklahoma bombing of the Federal Building was revenge for Bill Clinton's attorney general Janet Reno's mishandling of the Waco Incident=============

They were not terrorists as you tried to call them.  Now, would you like to get back to the subject or are you going to continue this charade?

 

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. Thomas Jefferson


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     Posted Sep-9 5:03 PM   
sbolert
 
From  sbolert  Posts 13806  Last 6:17 PM
To  Roe      [Msg # 226194.14 Message 226194.14 replying to 226194.13 226194.13 ]    

What makes you think that a terrorist act has to be by an Islamic?
The Oklahoma bombing of the Federal Building was revenge for Bill Clinton's attorney general Janet Reno's mishandling of the Waco Incident==

They were not terrorists<<<<


ter·ror·ist

[ter-er-ist] 
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.


They sure did commit an act of terrorism.


Sam

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     Posted Sep-9 5:11 PM   
Roe
 
From  Roe  Posts 7411  Last Nov-3
To  sbolert      [Msg # 226194.15 Message 226194.15 replying to 226194.14 226194.14 ]    

Why did you try to tie it to 9/11?  There is no connection there.  I think your spin is making you dizzy.

 

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. Thomas Jefferson

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     Posted Sep-9 6:09 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 2971  Last Oct-31
To  Roe      [Msg # 226194.16 Message 226194.16 replying to 226194.13 226194.13 ]    
>>> They were not terrorists as you tried to call them. <<<
Of course they were -- they simply were not Islamic terrorists.  Do you somehow imagine that there's no such thing as domestic terrorism?
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     Posted Sep-9 6:17 PM   
supremepuffy
 
From  supremepuffy  Posts 765  Last Nov-20
To  footless      [Msg # 226194.17 Message 226194.17 replying to 226194.5 226194.5 ]    (Unread)

I am sorry to say that you are the one who is BACK PEDALLING.  You are afraid that someone else might just be right and that hurts your ego, which seems to be quite large by the way you talk.

Typical another Bush drone set on auto pilot.  Bush sleep at switch towers go BOOOOOOOOM!!

as for socialist, that is a person who believes ina dn supports the marxist way of living.

Er NOOOOOOO. That would be a Marxist.  Let me help you bubby since as I already knew you had no idea what you were talking about.

Socialism is an economic model based on Egalitarian principle.  Socialism is an economic mechanism not a philosophy.

Marxism is a philosophy. A  political economic theory that argues class warfare is unnecessary and seeks to form a classless society. Marxism is anti capitalist, whose ULTIMATE goal is communism.   Marxists THEORIZE that Socialism is the  transitional point between Capitalism and Communism.

 

 

 

 

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     Posted Sep-9 6:24 PM   
sbolert
 
From  sbolert  Posts 13806  Last 6:17 PM
To  Roe      [Msg # 226194.18 Message 226194.18 replying to 226194.15 226194.15 ]    
Why did you try to tie it to 9/11?  There is no connection there. <<<

I never said that there was a connection. Monty said that there weren't any attacks here before 9/11. I pointed out that the first bombing of the WTC was before 9/11 and so was the Oklahoma City bombing before 9/11.

Sam


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     Posted Sep-9 6:41 PM   
supremepuffy
 
From  supremepuffy  Posts 765  Last Nov-20
To  footless      [Msg # 226194.19 Message 226194.19 replying to 226194.5 226194.5 ]    (Unread)

It is time that people woke up and read 1984.  It is here and I am afraid you people will learn it too late.

I did. I read it in 4TH Grade. Perhaps in the future you could cite some grown up books.

And yes, God is very involved in our government and our lives.

So that's how Obama got elected. It's all so clear now.

 Almost all of our forefathers admitted that the government can not run without God being acknowledged, that is why every session of Congress starts with a message and prayer from the Chaplin.  But they don't want us to acknowledge God, because that will work against them.  GOD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

List Of Diest founders:

 Ben Franklin

Thomas Paine

Thomas Jefferson

James Madison

John Adams

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html

 We are governed by the Constitution not the bible.

as for you having a degree in history, i hope that you are not teaching, because that is one of the problems with this country, the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE NEA.

I NEVER attended public school.  Drone on.

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     Posted Sep-9 6:46 PM   
supremepuffy
 
From  supremepuffy  Posts 765  Last Nov-20
To  Dread      [Msg # 226194.20 Message 226194.20 replying to 226194.6 226194.6 ]    

Beautifully done Richard, I MADE EVERY SINGLE POINT YOU MADE to Mr. Footless. He completely ignored those facts. Except to allude to the Liberal media. Lol.

Regards,

 Sp

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