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#1 of 21 Posted Oct-28 1:19 AM

From fatherjimparker Posts 93 Last Nov-7
To C Ellis UT [Msg # 168372.1 ]

Interior of Cathedral of Christ Saviour in Moscow

I don't know what the period is. The clothes look like the turn of the 19/20th century.

jim

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#2 of 21 Posted Oct-28 1:37 AM

From fatherjimparker Posts 93 Last Nov-7
To All [Msg # 168372.2 168372.1 ]

Cluj-Napoca Orthodox Cathedral - interior view

The lectern in the foreground is where the reader will read the Epistle reading fo rhte day.

Beyond that is the iconostasis (Iconwall) . The lectern partially covers the Royal Doors which are opened during the liturgy.

The large area is the nave. It comes from the Greek word for "boat". The Church is seen as the Ark (boat) in which believers are saved from the wages of sin.

The church is laid out like the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. You enter from the West into the narthex which is like the court of the temple. The nave is the Holy Place where the prayers of the faithful are offered. Beyond the iconostasis is the "equivalent" of the "Holy of Holies" when the priest presides over the liturgy (work of the people in worship) before God.

The congregation faces the East.

There are no chairs or pews seen because the Orthodox stand for the liturgy. (Though there may be oriental carpets on the floors on which the congregation might sit while the priest or bishop is delivering the homily) There are some seats around the side for older people and the infirm.

jim again

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#3 of 21 Posted Oct-28 1:49 AM

From fatherjimparker Posts 93 Last Nov-7
To All [Msg # 168372.3 168372.2 ]

And just one more: Holy Trinity Russian Orthodox Church, Chicago, IL

Note the 6-winged cherubim to the left and right on the diagonal walls near the dome from the reference in Isaiah 6:1-3

In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. And they were calling to one another: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory."

On the right side of the royal doors there is an icon of Jesus and on the left of the Theotokos, (The Virgin Mary, the "God-bearer")

The stands to the left, right and in the center before the iconostasis have icons of saints on them.

I hope the photos have been interesting.

jim

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#4 of 21 Posted Oct-28 9:23 AM

From Patricia O. [Stàff] Posts 11177 Last 12:47 PM
To fatherjimparker [Msg # 168372.4 168372.3 ]

I've moved your pictures out of the LDS section, but I'm sure that Clair will be able to find them here. ~ P, Forum Staff

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#5 of 21 Posted Oct-31 5:32 PM

From upundragon Posts 1298 Last Nov-20
To fatherjimparker [Msg # 168372.5 168372.4 ]

Beautiful Pictures!! I like to go into Cathedrals to look at the beautiful buildings. No big cathedrals around here though.

Kris

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#6 of 21 Posted Oct-31 11:45 PM

From Calvin Posts 1525 Last 1:50 PM
To upundragon [Msg # 168372.6 168372.5 ]

Seems unlike anything Jesus would build. Inappropriate squander and splendor in a world of poverty.

Here is a local steeple.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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#7 of 21 Posted Nov-1 12:08 AM

From George A Posts 10194 Last 10:36 AM
To Calvin [Msg # 168372.7 168372.6 ]

>>Seems unlike anything Jesus would build. Inappropriate squander and splendor in a world of poverty.<<

I dunno, man. I think there's something to be said for aesthetics in religion. These steel barns with a cross that contains the Church of First Assembly of Jesus Two Seed In The Spirit, Double Clutching, Holiness adherents prefer are just, well, cheap looking.

OTOH, an RC or Episcopal church, even if the guy in the public is shy a few bricks, is still an interesting place to look at.

Even my former fellow babtists (as Joe Bob used to say) do have at least some sense of beauty, even if somewhat arrested by their religion.

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

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#8 of 21 Posted Nov-1 6:01 AM

From Calvin Posts 1525 Last 1:50 PM
To George A [Msg # 168372.8 168372.7 ]

I think there's something to be said for aesthetics in religion.

Of course. But I think opulence is inappropriate. Sometimes you feel the need of a flyswatter to exorcise all the cherubs flying around. And I hate most statuary in a church. One statue is plenty.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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#9 of 21 Posted Nov-1 9:18 AM

From Sysop Chris Eyre Posts 10982 Last 12:07 PM
To fatherjimparker [Msg # 168372.9 168372.3 ]

Not quite the opulence of the Orthodox Cathedrals, but here's my home town's principal parish church:-

http://www.photoboxgallery.com/thislandwalesphotography/photo?photo_id=1708552199&vendor_id=4629

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#10 of 21 Posted Nov-1 9:43 AM

From C Ellis UT Posts 3498 Last 10:16 AM
To Calvin [Msg # 168372.10 168372.6 ]

>>> Seems unlike anything Jesus would build. Inappropriate squander and splendor in a world of poverty. <<<

I can see that point, from a dollar and sense view, but a poor person is a bit less poor when he or she has access to a beautiful place for worship. The chapel is like any other public facility that is shared by everyone, even though they don't own it. It is a part of their wealth. There can still be excess, though, even in that.

-- Clair

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#11 of 21 Posted Nov-1 2:13 PM

From Mark Mc Posts 11599 Last 7:30 AM
To C Ellis UT [Msg # 168372.11 168372.10 ]

>>>The chapel is like any other public facility that is shared by everyone, even though they don't own it. It is a part of their wealth. There can still be excess, though, even in that.<<<

During Gothic times, churches were the center of everything. People worked on the churches, were paid, and then donated the money back (at least in part). All public meetings and so forth were held in the cathedral. Even informal peasant courts were held there. Many of the cathedrals took several lifetimes of entire communities to complete. It's no wonder they became as elaborate as they did, but more importantly maybe, were the advances in engineering.

Other than most people not bathing, having fleas and lice visibly crawling in their hair and beards - oh, and rotten teeth, it was a good time in history. :)

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#12 of 21 Posted Nov-1 3:52 PM

From Cassy B. [Staff] Posts 15590 Last 8:40 AM
To Mark Mc [Msg # 168372.12 168372.11 ]

Mark,

Other than most people not bathing, having fleas and lice visibly crawling in their hair and beards - oh, and rotten teeth, it was a good time in history. :)

Popular depictions to the contrary, rotten teeth only became a really bad problem in the late Middle Ages and Renaissance, when sugar started to become more common, cheap and available.

Cassy

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#13 of 21 Posted Nov-1 3:53 PM

From nullopus000 Posts 580 Last Nov-20
To Mark Mc [Msg # 168372.13 168372.11 ]

//During Gothic times, churches were the center of everything. People worked on the churches, were paid, and then donated the money back (at least in part). All public meetings and so forth were held in the cathedral. Even informal peasant courts were held there.//

Ellis Peter wrote an absorbing novel about court proceedings held in a church in Wales (forgot the title). That's the extent of my research. <s>

//Many of the cathedrals took several lifetimes of entire communities to complete. It's no wonder they became as elaborate as they did, but more importantly maybe, were the advances in engineering. //

Reading historical fiction helped me learn a little about guilds in Europe. I don't envy the wives and children who lived in hovels built on church grounds although guilds provided care for the sick and orphans when needed and buried their dead.

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#14 of 21 Posted Nov-1 5:43 PM

From Mark Mc Posts 11599 Last 7:30 AM
To Cassy B. [Staff] [Msg # 168372.14 168372.12 ]

>>>rotten teeth only became a really bad problem in the late Middle Ages and Renaissance, when sugar started to become more common, cheap and available.<<<

That's true, but it was such a compelling visual. :)

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#15 of 21 Posted Nov-1 5:48 PM

From Mark Mc Posts 11599 Last 7:30 AM
To nullopus000 [Msg # 168372.15 168372.13 ]

>>>I don't envy the wives and children who lived in hovels built on church grounds although guilds provided care for the sick and orphans when needed and buried their dead.<<<

I don't envy any of the living arrangements, not even that of the ruling class and it's direct attendants. Poor dental health aside, I'm sure most people suffered from parasites and chronic disease of all sorts. And then there's the starvation from time to time that no doubt brought with it visions of supernatural entities of all sorts. And then there's just abject ignorance. I'd guess the fear any given individual had to endure during those times would be quite a discomfort for a modern.

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#16 of 21 Posted Nov-1 7:14 PM

From fatherjimparker Posts 93 Last Nov-7
To Sysop Chris Eyre [Msg # 168372.16 168372.9 ]

Those are awesome.

(Like ther're supposed to be.)

jim

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#17 of 21 Posted Nov-3 1:18 AM

From Bishop10435 Posts 9155 Last 5:20 PM
To Sysop Chris Eyre [Msg # 168372.17 168372.9 ]

Not quite the opulence of the Orthodox Cathedrals, but here's my home town's principal parish church:-

http://www.photoboxgallery.com/thislandwalesphotography/photo?photo_id=1708552199&vendor_id=4629

Wow! That is beautiful!

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#18 of 21 Posted Nov-3 9:19 AM

From Ivy [Staff] Posts 17880 Last Nov-20
To George A [Msg # 168372.18 168372.7 ]

George,

>> (as Joe Bob used to say) <<

Your link didn't link. :/

-Ivy

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#19 of 21 Posted Nov-3 2:04 PM

From George A Posts 10194 Last 10:36 AM
To Ivy [Staff] [Msg # 168372.19 168372.18 ]

>>Your link didn't link. :/<<

Okay, try this.
http://www.joebobbriggs.com/

I can't get into some of it, as Memorial Hermann has a nannyfilter for "adult content."

Joe Bob Briggs (aka Jon Bloom) used to work for the now defunct Dallas Times-Herald. He's a very funny guy who used to pi$$ off lots of people.

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

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#20 of 21 Posted Nov-3 5:50 PM

From stiefelst Posts 7873 Last 6:29 PM
To fatherjimparker [Msg # 168372.20 168372.1 ]

Shearith Israel

Click on Learning Center Our History and then Little Synagogue and 70th Street. This is a synagogue, not a church, but it is grand.

You can click on Little Synagogue to get the small chapel and 70th Street to get the main sanctuary. If you pan across you will get a 360 degree view. Much of the furnishings and candles etc in the Little synagogue are from the 18th century. The stained glass windows were made by Tiffany.

I can't get the picture without the link.

Shoshana

Edited Nov-3 by stiefelst

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