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H1N1 Vaccine

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#1 of 13

     Posted Nov-5 3:38 PM   
Pearlie
 
From  Pearlie  Posts 240  Last Nov-18
To  All      [Msg # 1651.1 ]    

I just called my doctor's office to inquire about the H1N1 Vaccine and was informed that they would not have it as they were not "selected" to receive. There are 4 doctors and 1 Phisician's Assistant practicing in this office.  I was given the # for the local Health Dept. and they informed me that due to my age (70's) I am not eligible for it. 

Who or what made these rules?  I'm real curious about it.

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     Posted Nov-5 3:56 PM   
Bev L [France]
 
From  Bev L [France]  Posts 1323  Last 3:55 PM
To  Pearlie      [Msg # 1651.2 Message 1651.2 replying to 1651.1 1651.1 ]    
Apparently this H1N1 flu affects younger people much more severely than it does us older folks. The younger ones get the flu more often, and when they get it, they are more likely to have serious complications. The death rates for younger victims of this flu are higher than for people over age 60 or so.

Not sure who controls the distribution of the vaccine in the US, but it does make sense to prioritize the distribution. Here in France, first priority is going to health care workers (who are most likely to be infected and to pass on the infection if they have it), then pregnant women (who have a particular sensitivity to this flu, due to lowered immunity during pregnancy) and children.

I'm perfectly happy to avoid this particular jab.
Cheers,
Bev
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     Posted Nov-5 4:42 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 600  Last 1:41 PM
To  Pearlie      [Msg # 1651.3 Message 1651.3 replying to 1651.1 1651.1 ]    
>>> and they informed me that due to my age (70's) I am not eligible for it.  <<<
Because you were alive during the last H1N1 outbreak, it is quite likely that you already have some immunity to this strain, and therefore others have priority.
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     Posted Nov-5 5:00 PM   
Pearlie
 
From  Pearlie  Posts 240  Last Nov-18
To  Patricia O.      [Msg # 1651.4 Message 1651.4 replying to 1651.3 1651.3 ]    

Sorry Patricia, I don't buy your premise.  I was around when Polio was rampant but never assumed I had a natural immunity to that.

It's just the principal of the thing.  Even at my age I pay plenty of taxes.  The same and maybe even more than some younger pay. There is no good reason why this country cannot manafacture enough of any kind of vaccine to properly serve its citizens.  Ridiculous.  We sure manage all kinds of medical assistance to the rest of the world.

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     Posted Nov-5 5:18 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 600  Last 1:41 PM
To  Pearlie      [Msg # 1651.5 Message 1651.5 replying to 1651.4 1651.4 ]    
>>> Sorry Patricia, I don't buy your premise.  I was around when Polio was rampant but never assumed I had a natural immunity to that. <<<
One usually has to *contract* the disease to develop further immunity.   There is a good chance that you DID have the H1N1 flu way back when.   The immunity from prior exposure is one reason that it is mostly young people being affected this time.

>>> There is no good reason why this country cannot manafacture enough of any kind of vaccine to properly serve its citizens.  <<<
Actually, there are several good reasons.   There are limited facilities able to do so, and they have other drugs to make as well.  The manufacturing is a process that cannot be speeded up, and we started late in the year.

So far, the disease does not seem to be any more dangerous than regular seasonal flu, which kills 30,000+ people a year, even though the demographic has shifted.

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     Posted Nov-5 8:45 PM   
Pearlie
 
From  Pearlie  Posts 240  Last Nov-18
To  Bev L [France]      [Msg # 1651.6 Message 1651.6 replying to 1651.2 1651.2 ]    

Evening Bev,  I hear the majority of this H1N1 Vaccine is coming from France.  A smaller amount is created here.

I'm more than grateful that this type of thing didn't go on with the Small Pox vaccine.  Or the Salk & Sabin.  Or Typhoid and Dyptheria.  No problem back in the Dark Ages(G)... These were plentiful and available to all.  Makes me wonder what has happened to change all that.

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     Posted Nov-5 10:33 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 600  Last 1:41 PM
To  Pearlie      [Msg # 1651.7 Message 1651.7 replying to 1651.6 1651.6 ]    
>>>> No problem back in the Dark Ages(G)... These were plentiful and available to all.  Makes me wonder what has happened to change all that. <<<
Most of those vaccines were not administered to the entire country at once. 

Smallpox was done when one reached school age.  I don't recall typhoid ever being a routine vaccination, unless one was traveling overseas.  Dyptheria was given intermittently in childhood.   The polio vaccines, although done en masse, were started in the mid-50s, when the US population was almost half what it is today.
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#8 of 13

     Posted Nov-5 10:38 PM   
Nancy C, Wizop
 
From  Nancy C, Wizop  Posts 495  Last 6:33 AM
To  Pearlie      [Msg # 1651.8 Message 1651.8 replying to 1651.6 1651.6 ]    

Pearlie,

The influenza virus does not stay the same.  It is always changing.  Every year the scientists try to determine in advance which type will be prevalent and the companies make a vaccine for that type.  They are not always correct.  Thus, the vaccine needed one year can be very different from that needed the next.  You can read how the virus changes here.

You can read about the reasons for the shortage of H1N1 vaccine here.

It seems that most people getting this virus are young people: children in schools.  As Patricia said most of us have an immunity to it.  I do think it's important that hospital professionals, particularly those in ICUs and emergency departments, be immunized to prevent spreading it to those with immune systems that are weakened.


Nancy C.
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#9 of 13

     Posted Nov-6 1:48 AM   
Bev L [France]
 
From  Bev L [France]  Posts 1323  Last 3:55 PM
To  Pearlie      [Msg # 1651.9 Message 1651.9 replying to 1651.6 1651.6 ]    
Pearlie,
The small pox vaccine was rolled out much more slowly than this one. "Vaccination" against small pox used to consist of getting swabbed with the gunk that comes out of the sores from someone with "cow pox" (evidently a milder form of the same thing that did confer a certain level of immunity). No problem with mass production, and I doubt people were lining up at the pharmacies to get cow pox goo swiped on them. <g>

But as an older person, you don't really need the H1N1 jab nearly as badly as does a younger person - unless you have some underlying chronic condition that would put you at risk should you get any sort of respiratory infection. While I was in the US a few weeks back, there was a very sad case of a young man who had just left to go to college in Ohio. He contracted the H1N1 flu within days of his arrival and was dead within 10 days. Apparently no underlying conditions that would have contributed to this.

Older folks who catch the flu are sick for about a week, but very few have gotten gravely ill and even fewer have died from it. The medical establishment doesn't know why this is, but they are allocating the vaccine accordingly.
Cheers,
Bev
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#10 of 13

     Posted Nov-6 6:58 AM   
Nancy C, Wizop
 
From  Nancy C, Wizop  Posts 495  Last 6:33 AM
To  Bev L [France]      [Msg # 1651.10 Message 1651.10 replying to 1651.9 1651.9 ]    
I saw where one child got H1N1 but tested negative at the local level.  A relative (uncle?) who lived elsewhere is a doc and suggested he get Tamiflu.  His doctor and hospital refused.  Then he suddenly got worse and died.  The CDC has a better test than local facilities and they found he indeed had H1N1.
Nancy C.
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#11 of 13

     Posted Nov-6 10:34 AM   
Nancy C, Wizop
 
From  Nancy C, Wizop  Posts 495  Last 6:33 AM
To  Pearlie      [Msg # 1651.11 Message 1651.11 replying to 1651.6 1651.6 ]    

I was watching Squawk Box on CNBC this morning and there was a segment on flu vaccine production.  It was really interesting to see how complicated the production of it is.  Click here to view the video.  You will have to view a short commercial first. <G>

I wonder if they produce their own eggs or contract with chicken farmers.


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     Posted Nov-6 5:23 PM   
Pearlie
 
From  Pearlie  Posts 240  Last Nov-18
To  Nancy C, Wizop      [Msg # 1651.12 Message 1651.12 replying to 1651.11 1651.11 ]    
Hi Nancy,  I saw something on television recently about the production of H1N1 and it showed all the eggs being injected with the virus, etc.  They also said they would not divulge where they obtain these eggs.  Guess they have good reasons for that.
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#13 of 13

     Posted Nov-6 5:59 PM   
Nancy C, Wizop
 
From  Nancy C, Wizop  Posts 495  Last 6:33 AM
To  Pearlie      [Msg # 1651.13 Message 1651.13 replying to 1651.12 1651.12 ]    

You are probably right that there are good reasons for keeping the egg producers/farms secret.  I hadn't thought about that.


Nancy C.
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