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#1 of 36 Posted 12/2/08 10:17 AM

From Bill Boyd Posts 8 Last 12/30/08
To All [Msg # 192725.1 ]

I need to acquire a backup program for someone running Win XP Pro. It needs to be dead simple, as the person using that computer, while somewhat computer-knowledgeable, isn't an expert and has trouble with dexterity due to a tendon problem. The backup device will be an external USB drive. It would be useful if the software could do an incremental backup to minimize the time needed to do a backup. That computer currently has 15GB on its disk. Access to older versions of files isn't really an issue, just the assurance of a backup of the current disk contents.

Thanks for any suggestions.

#2 of 36 Posted 12/2/08 10:34 AM

From Dan in Saint Louis Posts 697 Last 1:48 PM
To Bill Boyd [Msg # 192725.2 192725.1 ]

I have found the new (2009) version of Acronis True Image to be much more stable than the versions 10 and 11. It can perform both full and incremental backups; and accommodate either an entire disk image or selected folders.

KILROY WAS HERE

---- Dan in Saint Louis

#3 of 36 Posted 12/2/08 10:38 AM

From Dale G. Shields (Wugnet) Posts 9146 Last Nov-20
To Dan in Saint Louis [Msg # 192725.3 192725.2 ]

PMJI:

What stability issues have you encountered with TI, out of curiousity? I use Version 10 a lot and 11 on one system and it's never had problems...

Thanks!

#4 of 36 Posted 12/2/08 9:32 PM

From Dan in Saint Louis Posts 697 Last 1:48 PM
To Dale G. Shields (Wugnet) [Msg # 192725.4 192725.3 ]

What stability issues have you encountered with TI, out of curiousity? I use Version 10 a lot and 11 on one system and it's never had problems...

Unfortunately I have deleted all the old email messages re: the version 10 and 11 errors. One was the inability to "load a dynamic library." One was the inability to complete a backup of just my User Profile (not the entire disk). One was that the a scheduled incremental backup simply never started, and there were no entries in the error log.

Fortunately, the reports I was submitting were so detailed and relevant that one of their senior developers took pity on me, got fixes for those problems incorporated into "Version 2009," and sent me free copy. Sometimes calm responses and careful documentation pay off! "The fix for the issue reported by you in this ticket is included into the new product and we’re confident you’ll get it solved by installing it."

Only one issue since then<G>:

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KILROY WAS HERE

---- Dan in Saint Louis

#5 of 36 Posted 12/2/08 9:38 PM

From Bill Boyd Posts 8 Last 12/30/08
To Dan in Saint Louis [Msg # 192725.5 192725.2 ]

Thanks for the suggestion.

#6 of 36 Posted 12/2/08 11:43 PM

From Jerry Lippey/WUGNET Posts 7034 Last 12:36 PM
To Dan in Saint Louis [Msg # 192725.6 192725.4 ]

It bugs me that when Acronis went from TI 11 to 2009 (Vista compatible) they removed the ability to limit the number/size of a series of full backups.

They claim they've fixed it in the very recent (2008-11-24) 2009 Build #9646. But it doesn't work for me.

I still have the 53 email messages on this subject.

#7 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 5:37 AM

From K. Barthelmess Posts 94 Last Jul-8
To Jerry Lippey/WUGNET [Msg # 192725.7 192725.6 ]

> they removed the ability to limit the number/size of a series of full backups.

I'm not sure I understood that? Is this in their efforts to keep track of which backups you made for incremental / differential backups and so forth? Or is this a "you only get to make x full backups and then the product quits working"?

I dl'd the trial version of 2009, but it won't install under W2K. I backed off to the trial version 11 and it installed, but couldn't burn the .iso image. So I burned it myself only to find the trial version doesn't allow you to make a full backup.

All I want is the equivalent of Ghost to make and restore partition images (outside of Windows), but I haven't found that yet. Somewhat frustrating.

Kurt

#8 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 10:06 AM

From Dan in Saint Louis Posts 697 Last 1:48 PM
To All [Msg # 192725.8 192725.4 ]

Only one issue since then<G>:

Drat! The original screen looked like the attached clip! Even as I was composing it...

KILROY WAS HERE

---- Dan in Saint Louis

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#9 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 10:10 AM

From Dan in Saint Louis Posts 697 Last 1:48 PM
To K. Barthelmess [Msg # 192725.9 192725.7 ]

I'm not sure I understood that? Is this in their efforts to keep track of which backups you made for incremental / differential backups and so forth? Or is this a "you only get to make x full backups and then the product quits working"?

My understanding of that feature is that it is intended to limit the total disk space used for a series of backups so it does not impinge on the user's ability to store other kinds of files. When the total size of all backups gets too large, we are supposed to delete the old ones.

KILROY WAS HERE

---- Dan in Saint Louis

#10 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 11:26 AM

From Jerry Lippey/WUGNET Posts 7034 Last 12:36 PM
To K. Barthelmess [Msg # 192725.10 192725.7 ]

Kurt, my objective is to make multiple full backups (no differential or incremental) and automatically limit their number.

That's easy in ShadowProtect (which is a far better application in most respects). It can be done in TI 11, but not in TI 2009. The program doesn't break; it just won't observe limits.

I do it now with a batch file that deletes and renames..

#11 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 12:35 PM

From Dale G. Shields (Wugnet) Posts 9146 Last Nov-20
To K. Barthelmess [Msg # 192725.11 192725.7 ]

PMJI:

Booting from the CD made with the full TI product will do what you want. TI's trial is purposely limited to not work with the System partition, for obvious reasons...

If you have a Maxtor or Seagate branded drive in the system, the free copy of the TI product that Maxtor/Seagate distribute will do this as well...

Check sites that sell older versions of software - even Version 9 should do what you ask and you may find it for less than the current product...

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-dos.htm

is another option as you want to do this outside of Wndows...

#12 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 3:31 PM

From K. Barthelmess Posts 94 Last Jul-8
To Jerry Lippey/WUGNET [Msg # 192725.12 192725.10 ]

> my objective is to make multiple full backups (no differential or incremental) and automatically limit their number. Well, my goal is the opposite - I'll make the decision when an older version should be deleted. So I guess I'd be ok. > do it now with a batch file that deletes and renames.. That was something else I didn't like. There didn't seem to be any way to do a backup without going through the GUI. I could live with that - it just wouldn't be as convenient as the four line .bat file I use with Ghost. Kurt

#13 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 3:39 PM

From K. Barthelmess Posts 94 Last Jul-8
To Dale G. Shields (Wugnet) [Msg # 192725.13 192725.11 ]

> Booting from the CD made with the full TI product will do what you want. Well, it might or it might not. > TI's trial is purposely limited to not work with the System partition, for obvious reasons... Ummm... obvious how? As long as it has the thirty day limit embedded, what's the issue? See, I'm using the trial version to see if it will work with my hardware. It already broke once on that as I said. Maybe it won't break on a partition backup, but how can I tell? I'll check out Drive Image - sounds exactly like what I want, and the price is the same as discounted version of TI 11. Thanks. Kurt

#14 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 6:33 PM

From Jerry Lippey/WUGNET Posts 7034 Last 12:36 PM
To K. Barthelmess [Msg # 192725.14 192725.12 ]

I need automatic limiting for other PCs I service.

Those folks shouldn't need to know about backups. They just know to leave the computer on all night.

#15 of 36 Posted 12/3/08 9:08 PM

From Dale G. Shields (Wugnet) Posts 9146 Last Nov-20
To K. Barthelmess [Msg # 192725.15 192725.13 ]

There is no time limit on the boot CD, instead there is the restrictin that it does not work on the System volume. Think about why. If it did, then there would be no reason to purchase the program...

#16 of 36 Posted 12/4/08 4:53 AM

From K. Barthelmess Posts 94 Last Jul-8
To Dale G. Shields (Wugnet) [Msg # 192725.16 192725.15 ]

Dale - Perhaps I am misunderstanding the trial version's purpose. The web site says it is good for 15 days; nothing about limited functionality. Presumably it will cease working after that, which is fine. I can't see any reason to expect the boot CD to not be similarly time limited. If so, then you would buy the program. It doesn't make sense to me why somebody would offer you a trial version to see how it works and then block it from actually working. Kurt ps: Looks like somebody has tweaked the CIS software again - using the plain text editor, all the paragraph breaks are being removed. Sorry if this is all scrunched up.

#17 of 36 Posted 12/4/08 12:30 PM

From Dale G. Shields (Wugnet) Posts 9146 Last Nov-20
To K. Barthelmess [Msg # 192725.17 192725.16 ]

>>web site says it is good for 15 days

The INSTALLED version is. The CD has never been "timed"...

I'm not defending Acronis here, just reporting what I have read previously on their website. I agree, their website lacks the inforation that used to be present about the trial. No idea why that is, however...

>>I can't see any reason to expect the boot CD to not be similarly time limited.

The installed version is a Windows app. The code on the boot CD runs in Linux. The ISO image is pre-built and merely burned to a CD when you run the process from within Windows...

The Windows portion of the Application works fine in the 15 day period. That ois how most users will use the product...

Ah, thanks for the explaination - I saw the same phenom from another poster and wondered what was happening...

FYI...

#18 of 36 Posted 12/5/08 8:54 AM

From Bill Boyd Posts 8 Last 12/30/08
To All [Msg # 192725.18 192725.1 ]

I received a recommendation for the free backup utility SyncBack. Any comments?

#19 of 36 Posted 12/6/08 3:54 PM

From K. Barthelmess Posts 94 Last Jul-8
To All [Msg # 192725.19 192725.11 ]

Dale -

Just following up on Drive Image for DOS - It recognizes that my external hard drive (IEEE 1394) is physically present, but does not recognize the partition structure / logical drives thereon. Which is odd because that structure is a mirror of my internal hard drive, and it has no problem recognizing that. Oh well... thanks for the suggestion.

Kurt

#20 of 36 Posted 12/6/08 8:10 PM

From Dale G. Shields (Wugnet) Posts 9146 Last Nov-20
To K. Barthelmess [Msg # 192725.20 192725.19 ]

Intetesting - is there anything "special" about the partitions on that drive (Linux, etc.)?

I just found this option - absolutely NO idea if the CD it creates will do backups. Can't beat the price (FREE):

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-express/

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