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#1 of 35

     Posted Nov-7 2:32 PM   
RJ Emery
 
From  RJ Emery  Posts 30  Last Nov-18
To  All      [Msg # 25971.1 ]    
I posted the following message in the Seniors Forum, but I thought I would also post here:

I live in New Jersey and just turned 65.  I have been approved for Medicare Parts A and B.

I need to sign up for Part D as well as look into a MediGap Health Insurance plan.

Where can I find unbiased advice on who offers both in New Jersey?

I would also appreciate testimonials for and against specific plans and policies.



RJ Emery
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     Posted Nov-7 3:43 PM   
Conrad K
 
From  Conrad K  Posts 6790  Last 12:02 PM
To  RJ Emery      [Msg # 25971.2 Message 25971.2 replying to 25971.1 25971.1 ]    

>> I need to sign up for Part D <<

RJ..  On the Medicare website there is a set of pages that describe Part D and what is offered.  Part D is a bit tricky because of the gap in the drug coverage.  I don't recall the exact range of the gap, but I think it's something like $2300 thru $3600 where Part D might not cover.  Hence, you need first to sit down and figure out how much you spend annually on drugs and note which drugs you take.  With that data in hand, you can then look at the Medicare website on Part D coverage to see which plans would best suit you.  The plans range from fairly inexpensive to very expensive, depending upon the deductible, types of drugs covered, and whether or not there is gap coverage.

Before you sight up for a Part D plan and purchase Medi-Gap insurance, you might also want to look at the Advantage plans that offer more or less full coverage including, sometimes, Part D.  Here in SoCal, my wife has Kaiser's Senior Advantage which includes prescriptions and she's very happy with it.  I canNOT, however, endorse Kaiser in your area (if it's available) since I know nothing about its operation there.

Figuring out Medicare and what's best for you is at best a slippery slope so do your homework first before making the leap.  Good Luck!...  connie


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     Posted Nov-7 4:18 PM   
4merCL
 
From  4merCL  Posts 916  Last Feb-8
To  RJ Emery      [Msg # 25971.3 Message 25971.3 replying to 25971.1 25971.1 ]    

>>  Where can I find unbiased advice on who offers both in New Jersey?  <<

I won't say "advice", but information should be available in the annually published [by federal government] handbook, Medicare & You. The most current, dated 2010, has been sent to Medicare beneficiaries in the past couple of weeks.  If you did not receive one, you might visit your local Social Security office to obtain one, or you may be able to request online at medicare.gov.

You may also be able to browse the Medicare website to find characteristics and ratings of available plans, as well as comparison tools that allow you to make multi-dimensional comparisons among several different products [plans].

I should note that this information source will cover Medicare D and Medicare Advantage plans, which latter is not a Medigap plan, but is a rollup in one [more or less, MMV] comprehensive plan of at least Medicare A and B, as well often, as Medicare D. Medicare Advantage plans are sometimes referred to as Medicare C. These plans are, in part, subsidzed by a "capitation fee" from Medicare.

AFAIK, so-called Medigap plans are entirely in the private sector, with no involvement or financing from Medicare. Accordingly, I do not believe that Medicare tracks, compares or rates them.

One possible source of further information is a network of volunteer counselors who might be located or contacted through your local Senior
Center or Council on Aging. In our area, they are known by the acronym SHINE [for Serving the Health Information Needs of Elders]. Another source might an Independent Insurance Agent (who could be prepared to compare some competing products for you, but might not be able to discuss products from companies that sell only through their own direct agents).

Best regards,  4merCL

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     Posted Nov-7 4:53 PM   
4merCL
 
From  4merCL  Posts 916  Last Feb-8
To  RJ Emery      [Msg # 25971.4 Message 25971.4 replying to 25971.1 25971.1 ]    

From Conrad Msg #2  >>   Part D is a bit tricky because of the gap in the drug coverage.  I don't recall the exact range of the gap, but I think it's something like $2300 thru $3600 where Part D might not cover.  <<

The numbers I find in Medicare & You 2010 (Pg. 66) are a gap or so-called "donut hole" are $2,830 to get in, and $4,550 to get out and be covered by so-called "catestrophic coverage". These would be the minimum Medicare standards, but various (but not all) of the Part D plans, which are all underwritten by private insurers, are configured to provide at least some coverage in the donut hole -- perhaps by covering preferred generics but not brand name drugs, or by charging a sufficiently large premium that they can offer even greater coverage in the donut hole.

BTW, the really tricky part of the donut hole is that getting into it is based on the intial total paid for your prescription meds [any deductible you pay + copays or coinsurance that you pay + amounts paid by the insurance company] BUT, meeting the threshold to get out is based ONLY on payments that you make. So, if you had paid (hypothetically) $830 and your insurer had paid $2,000 [assuming the basic Medicare D numbers] you might have to start paying 100% of costs for the next $4,550 - $830= $3,720 (remember, getting out counts only your out of pocket payments, so the insurance company's $2,000, that helped get you into the gap, does not help you get out).

Best regards,  4merCL


Edited Nov-7   by  4merCL
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     Posted Nov-7 7:11 PM   
Conrad K
 
From  Conrad K  Posts 6790  Last 12:02 PM
To  4merCL      [Msg # 25971.5 Message 25971.5 replying to 25971.4 25971.4 ]    

>> are $2,830 to get in, and $4,550 to get out <<

WoW!..  The gap has significantly increased in size since the last time that I looked.  Thanx for the update!  I imagine a lot more folks can now fall into the gap before the catastrophic coverage kicks in a $4550.

Fortunately for us, my Mom uses only a few generic drugs and my wife is on Kaiser where prescriptons are included in the package...  connie


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#6 of 35

     Posted Nov-7 8:09 PM   
GretchenB-EA
 
From  GretchenB-EA  Posts 1884  Last 11:10 AM
To  Conrad K      [Msg # 25971.6 Message 25971.6 replying to 25971.5 25971.5 ]    
As you probably know, Connie, there is no generic for insulin; I appear to be stuck paying $47/vial unless I change plans. That's what I'll be investigating next week...
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#7 of 35

     Posted Nov-7 8:18 PM   
Marte Brengle
 
From  Marte Brengle  Posts 752  Last Feb-8
To  GretchenB-EA      [Msg # 25971.7 Message 25971.7 replying to 25971.6 25971.6 ]    
I thought Regular insulin was generic? 

infmom.net

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#8 of 35

     Posted Nov-7 8:56 PM   
4merCL
 
From  4merCL  Posts 916  Last Feb-8
To  Conrad K      [Msg # 25971.8 Message 25971.8 replying to 25971.5 25971.5 ]    

>>  WoW!..  The gap has significantly increased in size since the last time that I looked.  Thanx for the update!    <<

And, the size of the gap is variable depending on how the Part D plan that you choose is structured and the particular medications that you may need.

If, in your case, your Part D plan pays a greater initial share of your scripts until you reach the edge of the "donut hole", then the gap, or size of the hole will be larger, because you will have paid a lesser amount during the first stage -- and, for getting out of the donut hole, you will have more to pay on your own.

Fortunately, in my own case, the one year that I entered the donut hole, I did so by less than a dollar (and that odd change amount I paid in full myself).

Although the temptation is to be conscious only of the "copay" or "coinsurance" that you must pay, the total cost of each script is important, because it is that total (your share + the plan's share) that is going to carry you toward the leading edge of the donut hole.

Best regards,  4merCL

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#9 of 35

     Posted Nov-7 9:03 PM   
RJ Emery
 
From  RJ Emery  Posts 30  Last Nov-18
To  All      [Msg # 25971.9 Message 25971.9 replying to 25971.8 25971.8 ]    
I appreciate all the responses.  I'm getting quite an education from this thread and now know more about what to ask.

RJ Emery
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#10 of 35

     Posted Nov-7 11:09 PM   
Conrad K
 
From  Conrad K  Posts 6790  Last 12:02 PM
To  GretchenB-EA      [Msg # 25971.10 Message 25971.10 replying to 25971.6 25971.6 ]    

>> That's what I'll be investigating next week... <<

Yah...  Unfortunately, finding the right Part D coverage is not a find and forget type of thing.  As your needs change, so must your choice of coverage...  connie


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#11 of 35

     Posted Nov-7 11:15 PM   
Conrad K
 
From  Conrad K  Posts 6790  Last 12:02 PM
To  4merCL      [Msg # 25971.11 Message 25971.11 replying to 25971.8 25971.8 ]    

>> you will have more to pay on your own. <<

Obviously, the more that is covered, the greater the cost of the coverage.  I think my Mom gets away with the basic $35/month plan so she's tickled pink.  OTOH, when I was looking, I saw that there were some plans that cost a few hundred dollars/month.    My sister took over the job of figuring out the best coverage for my Mom so I have no idea what the costs of current packages are.


>> the total cost of each script is important,  <<

Yep..  That's why I said it's tricky.  You really need to sharpen your pencil to get it right...  connie




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#12 of 35

     Posted Nov-8 4:39 AM   
Sysop Dot
 
From  Sysop Dot  Posts 6289  Last Jan-25
To  RJ Emery      [Msg # 25971.12 Message 25971.12 replying to 25971.1 25971.1 ]    
I would also appreciate testimonials for and against specific plans and policies.

My brother, who has a good head for business, decided AARP was at least as good as the other options for my mother. (This is in MS, not NJ, so I don't know what NJ has to offer.)  One thing you want to watch out for, if you take very many prescription medications, is the "donut hole," where you pay full price out of pocket for your prescriptions after you have already gotten a certain amount covered by insurance.

Dot

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain.

  --Anonymous

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#13 of 35

     Posted Nov-8 11:37 AM   
GretchenB-EA
 
From  GretchenB-EA  Posts 1884  Last 11:10 AM
To  Marte Brengle      [Msg # 25971.13 Message 25971.13 replying to 25971.7 25971.7 ]    
What's "regular"? I'm on Humalog and Lantus.
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#14 of 35

     Posted Nov-8 4:42 PM   
Marte Brengle
 
From  Marte Brengle  Posts 752  Last Feb-8
To  GretchenB-EA      [Msg # 25971.14 Message 25971.14 replying to 25971.13 25971.13 ]    
Each company has its own brand name.  Humalog is short-acting, and Lantus is long-acting.

Just looked and the company names for Regular are Humulin and Novolin, basically.  It doesn't take effect as fast as Humalog/Novolog.  My experience was that it took about an hour to take effect and lasted for about six hours, but I seem to have an idiosyncratic response to all the insulins.

infmom.net

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#15 of 35

     Posted Nov-8 8:07 PM   
SYSOP- Paula
 
From  SYSOP- Paula  Posts 191  Last 9:17 AM
To  GretchenB-EA      [Msg # 25971.15 Message 25971.15 replying to 25971.13 25971.13 ]    

Dear Gretchen,

    The types of insulin are based upon their pattern of activity, with:

  • rapid-acting insulin (sold as Humalog, Novolog, and Apidra), which generally begin working within 10-30 min after injection, reach peak in activity 30-90 minutes after injection, and have effects for 90 minutes to 5 hours, depending on the particular insulin.
  • short-acting insulin (sold as Regular or R and Velosulin), which generally begin working within 30-60 minutes after injection, reach peak activity 2 to 5 hours after injection, and have effects for 2 to 8 hours, depending on the particular insulin.
  • intermediate-acting insulin (sold as NPH or N and Lente or L), which generally begin working within 1 to 2 and a half hours after injection, reach peak activity 3 to 12 hours after injection, and have effects for 18 to 24 hours, depending on the particular insulin.
  • long-acting insulin (sold as Ultralente or U, Lantus, and Levemir), which generally begin working within 30 minutes to 3 hours after injection, peak in activity 6 to 20 hours after injection or have no peak, and have effects for 20 to 36 hours, depending on the particular insulin.
  • pre-mixed insulin, sold as mixtures of intermediate-acting insulin and a swifter-acting insulin in 70/30, 50/50 and 75/25 ratios, which generally begin working 10-30 minutes after injection, reach peak activity 30 minutes to 12 hours after injection, and have effects for 14-24 hours, depending on the particular insulin.

     As you can see, the activity patterns can range quite a bit within each category of insulin type and, when looking at a specific insulin, there's often a broad range of activity, too, which can vary by the individual and the individual's circumstances.   Another difference  among the types of insulin is that some, such as R and NPH,  do not legally require a prescription.      

         - Paula

 

 

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#16 of 35

     Posted Nov-8 8:43 PM   
4merCL
 
From  4merCL  Posts 916  Last Feb-8
To  SYSOP- Paula      [Msg # 25971.16 Message 25971.16 replying to 25971.15 25971.15 ]    

>>    Another difference  among the types of insulin is that some, such as R and NPH,  do not legally require a prescription.      <<

Insofar as that may be the case, do those formulations become Over The Counter and, as such, not covered by Rx insurances?

Best regards,  4merCL

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#17 of 35

     Posted Nov-8 9:13 PM   
David W.
 
From  David W.  Posts 264  Last Feb-7
To  4merCL      [Msg # 25971.17 Message 25971.17 replying to 25971.16 25971.16 ]    
PMJI,
Insurance through my employer covers insulin for my daughter.

I think there are some laws regulations addressing coverage of diabetic needs.  I would have to do some checking to see what is covered.
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#18 of 35

     Posted Nov-8 10:22 PM   
4merCL
 
From  4merCL  Posts 916  Last Feb-8
To  David W.      [Msg # 25971.18 Message 25971.18 replying to 25971.17 25971.17 ]    

>>  PMJI,  <<

Hey, nothing like first hand experience.  You do recognize that I was questioning (not disputing) only insulin formulations that we had been told did not require a prescription.  Others that do require a prescription I would expect to be covered by Rx insurances.

Best regards,  4merCL

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#19 of 35

     Posted Nov-8 11:14 PM   
SYSOP- Paula
 
From  SYSOP- Paula  Posts 191  Last 9:17 AM
To  4merCL      [Msg # 25971.19 Message 25971.19 replying to 25971.16 25971.16 ]    

Dear Friend,

     When I used R and N insulin, I had a prescription for them,  but my insurer never asked me about that.  I submitted the receipts for the insulin and my group health insurance reimbursed me.   As I understand it, some kinds of insulin are available without prescription due to state laws that recognized the life-preserving nature of the medication and the dire plight of being without it due to a prescription running out, travel delays, etc.  

           - Paula

 


Edited Nov-8   by  SYSOP- Paula
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     Posted Nov-9 11:37 AM   
GretchenB-EA
 
From  GretchenB-EA  Posts 1884  Last 11:10 AM
To  SYSOP- Paula      [Msg # 25971.20 Message 25971.20 replying to 25971.15 25971.15 ]    
Thanks for the explanation; I had never heard of an insulin called "regular."
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