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     Posted Nov-1 11:40 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last Nov-18
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Huge Finance Co Bankrupts

Last year, it celebrated its centenary.  That year, CIT group also posted a 6 billion loss.  Now it's filed for protection under Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy laws.  What do you think the significance of CIT's bankruptcy is likely to be for most investors?

CNNMoney reports this morning that "In the bankruptcy filing, CIT said it had $71 billion in assets and $64.9 billion in liabilities.  Only Lehman Brothers, Washington Mutual, Worldcom and General Motors had more in assets when they filed for protection."

What do you think the significance of CIT's bankruptcy is likely to be for most investors?

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.]

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     Posted Nov-1 11:42 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last Nov-18
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Wikipedia summary: CIT Group, Inc.
Type Public (NYSECIT)
Fate Chapter 11 bankruptcy
Founded 1908
Founder(s) Henry Ittleson
Headquarters New York
Key people Jeffrey M. Peek (Chairman, CEO)
Industry Finance company
Revenue US$ 6.09 billion (2008)[1]
Operating income US$ 1.96 Billion (2008)
Net income US$ -2.79 Billion (2008)
Total assets US$ 80.44 billion (2008)
Total equity US$ 8.12 billion (2008)
Website cit.com

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     Posted Nov-2 12:08 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last Nov-18
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Netscape News:

CIT files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection
By STEPHEN MANNING


 

WASHINGTON (AP) - After struggling for months to avert bankruptcy, lender CIT Group has filed for Chapter 11 protection in an attempt to restructure its debt while trying to keep badly needed loans flowing to thousands of mid-sized and small businesses....

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     Posted Nov-2 9:57 AM   
DickWeltz
 
From  DickWeltz  Posts 686  Last Nov-21
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 17952.4 Message 17952.4 replying to 17952.1 17952.1 ]    

Last year, it celebrated its centenary.  That year, CIT group also posted a 6 billion loss.  Now it's filed for protection under Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy laws.  What do you think the significance of CIT's bankruptcy is likely to be for most investors?

Stockholers will be wiped out. Bondholders like myself apparently will recoup approximatelty 70 cents on the follwr -- but in the form of new notes with a stepped schedule of later maturity rates, a higher coupon, and some preferred shares that provide no income but do give a vote and have a high "liquidation preference value."

Al least, that's what the approximateyt 3-pound document they sent me seems to say.

 

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     Posted Nov-3 8:42 AM   
Jon Woolf
 
From  Jon Woolf  Posts 311  Last Nov-21
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 17952.5 Message 17952.5 replying to 17952.1 17952.1 ]    
Something I don't understand:

>> In the bankruptcy filing, CIT said it had $71 billion in assets and $64.9 billion in liabilities. <<

I don';t look at bankruptcy filings all that often, but as I recall, in most cases the company had more liabilities than assets.  Why did CIT file when it still has more assets than liabilities?

-- JSW
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     Posted Nov-3 1:36 PM   
DickWeltz
 
From  DickWeltz  Posts 686  Last Nov-21
To  Jon Woolf      [Msg # 17952.6 Message 17952.6 replying to 17952.5 17952.5 ]    

I don';t look at bankruptcy filings all that often, but as I recall, in most cases the company had more liabilities than assets.  Why did CIT file when it still has more assets than liabilities?

It's pretty confusing, even to bondholders (e.g. me), and even after reading the pounds of documents they sent out in the mail.

The best I can figure out is that they had a lot of debt coming due very shortly and could not obtain the credit they needed to refinance it, as their usual sources had been drying up. The assets may not be all that liquid, as they consist mainly of longer term loans to various borrowers.

That is apparently why they are giving the bondholders new bonds with a face value of about 60-70 cents on the dollar but with somewhat longer maturities and a higher interest rate, along with some new preferred stock that pays no dividend and has no market value -- except that it takes on a high claim value in case of liquidation.


 

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