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GOP Candidate Drops Out, Endorses Demo

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#1 of 25

     Posted Nov-1 4:22 PM   
Michael H.
 
From  Michael H.  Posts 3319  Last 7:25 AM
To  All      [Msg # 213478.1 ]    

The Republican candidate in New York's 23rd district congressional special election has now endorsed the Democrat in the race rather than the Conservative Party candidate.

 [Republican state Assemblywoman Dierdre] Scozzafava said Sunday that Democrat Bill Owens is the best of the remaining candidates to build on the legacy of the previous holder of the 23rd Congressional District seat.

The race pitted conservative and moderate wings of the Republican Party. Hoffman painted Scozzafava as too liberal, specifically noting her support of abortion rights and same-sex marriage. He told voters in the historically GOP district that she's not the kind of Republican they want representing their interests in a Democrat-led Congress.

      For more, see this link

The race attracted not just national attention, but actual involvement by some of the biggest names in the Republican party.  Sarah Palin endorsed the Conservative Party candidate over Scozzafava.  Newt Gingrich endorsed Scozzafava.

In a race where the polls have been extremely volatile over the last few weeks this could upset the apple cart and give a last minute boost to the Democrat.

Could this help the Democrat to win?

Or will the Conservative Party candidate manage to win anyway?

What other effects will this endorsement have?  Are local elections like this bellweathers for the 2010 election cycle? 

Are they only about local issues, or are they unofficial plebicites on the current administration?

What about Newt Gingrich, who endorsed the Republican who has now endorsed a Democrat?  Where does this leave him?

Tell us what you think.



"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."

-- Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Feb 13th, 2009




Free Your Mind.  Free Yourself.
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Edited Nov-1   by  Michael H.

Edited Nov-1   by  Michael H.

Edited Nov-1   by  Michael H.

Edited Nov-2   by  Sysop Alex Krislov

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#2 of 25

     Posted Nov-1 5:09 PM   
Silence Dogood (R-NJ)
 
From  Silence Dogood (R-NJ)  Posts 6097  Last Nov-21
To  Michael H.      [Msg # 213478.2 Message 213478.2 replying to 213478.1 213478.1 ]    

Now that Halloween is over, she finally took off her mask, exposing herself for what we all knew she was.  The conservative will win that race in a romp.

>>What about Newt Gingrich who endorsed the Republican?  Where does this leave him?<<

Out of touch.  Maybe this is his wake up call.

 


Edited Nov-1   by  Silence Dogood (R-NJ)
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     Posted Nov-1 7:31 PM   
Michael H.
 
From  Michael H.  Posts 3319  Last 7:25 AM
To  Silence Dogood (R-NJ)      [Msg # 213478.3 Message 213478.3 replying to 213478.2 213478.2 ]    
>> The conservative will win that race in a romp. <<

Maybe.  Maybe not.

We will likely know by early Wednesday, however.



"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."

-- Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Feb 13th, 2009




Free Your Mind.  Free Yourself.
Ferrapontifex Invictus


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     Posted Nov-2 10:31 AM   
Sysop Alex Krislov
 
From  Sysop Alex Krislov  Posts 19584  Last 7:54 AM
To  Silence Dogood (R-NJ)      [Msg # 213478.4 Message 213478.4 replying to 213478.2 213478.2 ]    

 The conservative will win that race in a romp

What I'm not grasping here, Ron, is how this is supposed to be good for the GOP.  Whatever you may think of her, she won the nomination of the Republican Party.  Is it really helpful to the party that's out of power to engage in destroying its own candidates?


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     Posted Nov-2 11:02 AM   
Michael Hoffman SL
 
From  Michael Hoffman SL  Posts 25657  Last 12:39 AM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213478.5 Message 213478.5 replying to 213478.4 213478.4 ]    
Actually, she did not win any nomination. She was named the candidate by liberal Republicans on the party central committee. Don't forget, she was running to replace another liberal Republican who was picked by Obama to be Secretary of the Army.
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     Posted Nov-2 11:15 AM   
Sysop Alex Krislov
 
From  Sysop Alex Krislov  Posts 19584  Last 7:54 AM
To  Michael Hoffman SL      [Msg # 213478.6 Message 213478.6 replying to 213478.5 213478.5 ]    

Actually, she did not win any nomination. She was named the candidate by liberal Republicans on the party central committee

And is this, or is this not, how the party committee names candidates under these conditions?

It is?  Yes.

So she won the nomination, fair and square.


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     Posted Nov-2 11:41 AM   
Raven
 
From  Raven  Posts 98  Last Nov-21
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213478.7 Message 213478.7 replying to 213478.6 213478.6 ]    
So she won the nomination, fair and square.


Why the quibbling over whether she "won" or was "given" a nomination?

What matters is that she showed her true colors (liberal) and now she has LOST her chance at that office! She, in effect, "destroyed" herself. Good, we need more true conservatives, not those wolves in sheep's clothing who think they are so smart and can hoodwink voters who put them in power. This country needs a real shakeup in both parties, to weed out the imposters and poseurs.




The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not be made to understand it.
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#8 of 25

     Posted Nov-2 11:41 AM   
Michael Hoffman SL
 
From  Michael Hoffman SL  Posts 25657  Last 12:39 AM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213478.8 Message 213478.8 replying to 213478.6 213478.6 ]    
Of course that's how they name candidates when there's no primary contest. But winning connotes a competition, and there was no competition involved in this. <g>
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     Posted Nov-2 12:04 PM   
Sysop Jim Dellon
 
From  Sysop Jim Dellon  Posts 30265  Last Nov-21
To  Michael Hoffman SL      [Msg # 213478.9 Message 213478.9 replying to 213478.5 213478.5 ]    
Michael --

>>Actually, she did not win any nomination. She was named the candidate by liberal Republicans on the party central committee.<<

So, is it your opinion that a "liberal" Republican is not a real Republican worthy of the party's support? 

Keep up that kind of "thinking" and your party will be doomed to failure for a long, long time to come.  Lee Atwater must be rolling over in his grave.

-- jim
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#10 of 25

     Posted Nov-2 2:03 PM   
nyqconly
 
From  nyqconly  Posts 3001  Last Nov-21
To  Sysop Jim Dellon      [Msg # 213478.10 Message 213478.10 replying to 213478.9 213478.9 ]    
//Keep up that kind of "thinking" and your party will be doomed to failure for a long, long time to come.//

[might not be wise to point that out to them - a bit of experiential learning is in order I think :) ]


hi!

Yet more pleonastic ravings!

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     Posted Nov-3 3:11 PM   
Michael Hoffman SL
 
From  Michael Hoffman SL  Posts 25657  Last 12:39 AM
To  Sysop Jim Dellon      [Msg # 213478.11 Message 213478.11 replying to 213478.9 213478.9 ]    

I don't have parties nowadays. I'm too old, and I prefer to drink alone.

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     Posted Nov-3 3:21 PM   
aribearman76
 
From  aribearman76  Posts 239  Last Nov-20
To  Raven      [Msg # 213478.12 Message 213478.12 replying to 213478.7 213478.7 ]    (Unread)
What matters is that she showed her true colors (liberal) and now she has LOST her chance at that office! She, in effect, "destroyed" herself. Good, we need more true conservatives, not those wolves in sheep's clothing who think they are so smart and can hoodwink voters who put them in power. This country needs a real shakeup in both parties, to weed out the imposters and poseurs.>>..



As a moderate Democrat, I couldn't agree with you more. All those, who do not agree with Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck should be purged from the Party. Purity of purpose and thought are what is necessary. Anything less is hypocrisy, don't you agree??
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     Posted Nov-3 3:35 PM   
aribearman76
 
From  aribearman76  Posts 239  Last Nov-20
To  nyqconly      [Msg # 213478.13 Message 213478.13 replying to 213478.10 213478.10 ]    
As a moderate Democrat, I couldn't agree with you more. All those, who do not agree with Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck should be purged from the Party. Purity of purpose and thought are what is necessary. Anything less is hypocrisy, don't you agree??
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     Posted Nov-4 2:31 AM   
nyqconly
 
From  nyqconly  Posts 3001  Last Nov-21
To  aribearman76      [Msg # 213478.14 Message 213478.14 replying to 213478.13 213478.13 ]    
//All those, who do not agree with Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck should be purged from the Party.//

Works for me. And then the supporters of Limbaugh should keep a close eye on the Beck supporters in case they stray into heresy. Likewise the Hannitites should keep a close watch on thos dangerous Beckians in case they show signs of ideological impurity.

I'll buy the popcorn.


hi!

Yet more pleonastic ravings!

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     Posted Nov-4 9:19 AM   
aribearman76
 
From  aribearman76  Posts 239  Last Nov-20
To  nyqconly      [Msg # 213478.15 Message 213478.15 replying to 213478.14 213478.14 ]    
Works for me. And then the supporters of Limbaugh should keep a close eye on the Beck supporters in case they stray into heresy. Likewise the Hannitites should keep a close watch on thos dangerous Beckians in case they show signs of ideological impurity.>>>


I surely love the results of this ideological philosophy.. It is fun to watch :-)


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33608691/ns/politics-more_politics
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#16 of 25

     Posted Nov-4 3:56 PM   
John Clifton (Sysop)
 
From  John Clifton (Sysop)  Posts 23875  Last Nov-21
To  Raven      [Msg # 213478.16 Message 213478.16 replying to 213478.7 213478.7 ]    
<R> What matters is that she showed her true colors (liberal) and now she has LOST her chance at that office! She, in effect, "destroyed" herself. Good, we need more true conservatives, not those wolves in sheep's clothing who think they are so smart and can hoodwink voters who put them in power.

If you reject moderate Republicans, it may be difficult to get rid of the Democrats? Is that okay with you?



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#17 of 25

     Posted Nov-4 4:19 PM   
Martin Alter
 
From  Martin Alter  Posts 5451  Last Nov-20
To  Michael Hoffman SL      [Msg # 213478.17 Message 213478.17 replying to 213478.11 213478.11 ]    
>>   I don't have parties nowadays. I'm too old, and I prefer to drink alone.  <<

That's how others prefer that you drink, as well.
  <s>

Edited Nov-4   by  Martin Alter
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#18 of 25

     Posted Nov-5 9:43 AM   
Michael H.
 
From  Michael H.  Posts 3319  Last 7:25 AM
To  John Clifton (Sysop)      [Msg # 213478.18 Message 213478.18 replying to 213478.16 213478.16 ]    
>> If you reject moderate Republicans, it may be difficult to get rid of the Democrats? Is that okay with you? <<

I think you may find that your correspondent hasn't considered the possibility that without the moderates in the Republican Party the party would be incapable of ever holding a majority of the seats in Congress.  This seems to be a fairly common problem for the members of the right-wing conservative movement today.

The lesson from the NY 23rd has gone right over their heads.  They appear to be incapable of accepting that such a thing as a moderate conservative
even exists or that such a thing as a moderate Republican ought to exist.  They have been told that 60% of the nation's adults identify themselves as "conservatives" and they assume that this means that they are all "conservatives" in the right-wing, talk-radio-listening sense of conservatism.

Which, of course, many (and perhaps even most) surely are not.  It is beyond their cognition that there are many people in America who call themselves "conservatives" despite the fact that they are moderates and centrists because they have been immersed in a society where the right-wing talk-radio has been using the word "liberal" as an invective that means something akin to "a Stalinist, Nazi, baby-killing, Satan-worshiping, atheistic, child-raping homosexual."

Needless to say this is not the way most Americans think about themselves, so many of them chose to identify themselves as "conservatives" instead, regardless of their politics.

But that does not mean that they are all willing to vote for right-wing loonies.


"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."

Michael Steele
Chairman of the
Republican National Committee
Feb 13th, 2009
Free Your Mind.
Free Yourself.
Ferrapontifex Invictus

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#19 of 25

     Posted Nov-5 10:35 AM   
Raven
 
From  Raven  Posts 98  Last Nov-21
To  John Clifton (Sysop)      [Msg # 213478.19 Message 213478.19 replying to 213478.16 213478.16 ]    
<If you reject moderate Republicans, it may be difficult to get rid of the Democrats? Is that okay with you?>

Who is wanting to get rid of the Democrats? If a person misrepresents themselves as being of one party and is then brought to task for that, then they should just join the other defectors. They should not be in a party as a spoiler or as one who thinks they are going to shift the ideologies just through their hidden agendas. If they are liberals, then just say so...none of this "moderate" this or "moderate" that. Sounds to me like they are fence sitters. They should have the guts of Specter to bail..not whine about being assailed by the extremists in the party they choose to call themselves.
That is the problem with just a two party system...we need more 3rd, 4th or more parties to cover the ideologies of  increasingly varied public opinions.
Since conservatives outnumber liberals by 2 to 1 in the US, I see these attacks on them to be nothing but fear mongering, exaggeration and hyperbole by insecure liberals afraid of losing their increasingly shaky and imagined  hold on the country.


 

The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not be made to understand it.
                  Confucius
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#20 of 25

     Posted Nov-5 12:55 PM   
Michael H.
 
From  Michael H.  Posts 3319  Last 7:25 AM
To  Raven      [Msg # 213478.20 Message 213478.20 replying to 213478.19 213478.19 ]    (Unread)
>> Who is wanting to get rid of the Democrats? <<

Does the word "freepers" have any meaning for you?



"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."

Michael Steele
Chairman of the
Republican National Committee
Feb 13th, 2009
Free Your Mind.
Free Yourself.
Ferrapontifex Invictus

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