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The Media

Is ''Gossip Girl'' Too Sexy for TV?

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#1 of 138

     Posted Nov-5 10:34 AM   
Sysop Alex Krislov
 
From  Sysop Alex Krislov  Posts 19574  Last 4:57 PM
To  All      [Msg # 213510.1 ]    

Is the racy television show "Gossip Girl" getting too hot for its medium and target audience?  According to an AP article in today's Netscape News:

On-air promos for a sexual threesome on an upcoming episode of ``Gossip Girl'' have spurred the Parents Television Council to ask affiliates of the CW network to pre-empt the show.

Airing the teen tryst, which is being teased in an ad as a ``3SOME,'' is ``reckless and irresponsible,'' said PTC president Tim Winter in a statement Wednesday. The threesome involves three main characters in the show but they are not identified in the promos.
  
See this link for more.

The CW Network countered by saying the show isn't actually targeted at teenagers. According to the network, the target audience has a midrange of 27-year-olds.  In response, the PTC says such an assertion "doesn't pass the laugh test."

The PTC, founded by conservative activist Brent Bozell III,  has condemned episodes of shows such as "Family Guy," "American Dad," "NYPD Blues" and the Super Bowl Halftime Show. It has claimed a major role in increasing FTC fines on broadcasters over the past decade.

Do you think that groups such as the Parents Television Council represent the average American?  Or do they serve only a particular demographic?

Do such unofficial "watchdogs" serve a useful purpose in dealing with extremes in the popular culture?

How do you determine when a television show has gone "too far?"  When one does, do you complain -- or just switch channels?

Tell us what you think!


Alex
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     Posted Nov-5 10:43 AM   
Kevin(Sysop)
 
From  Kevin(Sysop)  Posts 10076  Last 8:44 AM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213510.2 Message 213510.2 replying to 213510.1 213510.1 ]    

How do you determine when a television show has gone "too far?" //

That's a very individual determination.  I'm not fond of the description of this show, either in your post, or at the link.  My solution to that, is that I won't watch it, nor will I allow folks under 18 who happen to be in my house to watch it.

 When one does, do you complain -- or just switch channels?//

I have no problem with folks complaining to the network or channel about things they don't like.  The network will then have to make a decision about what is in their best business interest to show.  For example, I'd like to see all of the Bachelor, and Bachelorette shows taken off, and their tapes burned.  I won't watch them, and I hope other sensible people will make the same decision.  Ultimately however, the government should stay out of this discussion, and let the market work as it will.

Kevin

“Hate is not overcome by hate; by love (metta) alone is hate appeased. This is an eternal law.”-Guatama Buddha


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     Posted Nov-5 10:45 AM   
Sysop Alex Krislov
 
From  Sysop Alex Krislov  Posts 19574  Last 4:57 PM
To  Kevin(Sysop)      [Msg # 213510.3 Message 213510.3 replying to 213510.2 213510.2 ]    

I've never seen the show, myself.  But I'll own that I've always found it inappropriate to try to get shows off the air just because they don't fit my taste--for myself or my children.  I'm a firm believer in changing the channel, and leaving the stuff I don't like for the people who do like it. 

It does seem to me that some groups --and the PTC is one such-- are far too quick to demand fines on things that just aren't predictable, such as Bono's and Pete Townsend's "dropping the f-bomb" in live appearances. 


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     Posted Nov-5 10:55 AM   
Kevin(Sysop)
 
From  Kevin(Sysop)  Posts 10076  Last 8:44 AM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213510.4 Message 213510.4 replying to 213510.3 213510.3 ]    

It does seem to me that some groups --and the PTC is one such-- are far too quick to demand fines on things that just aren't predictable, such as Bono's and Pete Townsend's "dropping the f-bomb" in live appearances.  //

Yea, I also thought that the fuss over Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction was pretty silly.

Deciding what you will watch, or what your children may watch, is a matter of individual responsibility, which I keep thinking that conservatives are in favor of.

The nasty little truth is that conservatives don't want government of your back; they just want it on your back over different issues.

Kevind

“Hate is not overcome by hate; by love (metta) alone is hate appeased. This is an eternal law.”-Guatama Buddha

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     Posted Nov-5 11:09 AM   
gordonhofer
 
From  gordonhofer  Posts 31258  Last 10:28 AM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213510.5 Message 213510.5 replying to 213510.3 213510.3 ]    
But I'll own that I've always found it inappropriate to try to get shows off the air just because they don't fit my taste--for myself or my children.

Suppose they don't fit the taste of a large number of people. Is it appropriate for them to take collective action to remove them from view?
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     Posted Nov-5 12:38 PM   
Michael H.
 
From  Michael H.  Posts 3304  Last 7:17 AM
To  gordonhofer      [Msg # 213510.6 Message 213510.6 replying to 213510.5 213510.5 ]    
>> Suppose they don't fit the taste of a large number of people. Is it appropriate for them to take collective action to remove them from view? <<

It is certainly appropriate for an individual to remove television programing from his/her own view by changing the channel, or by turning off the television.  Most folks who spend much time around televisions seem to figure this out fairly quickly and employ these techniques on a regular basis.

Beyond that things can get a bit murky.  Some individual actions and some collective actions could be perfectly appropriate, while others might be a great deal less so.



"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."

Michael Steele
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Republican National Committee
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     Posted Nov-5 12:47 PM   
kasaleliah
 
From  kasaleliah  Posts 7998  Last 2:48 PM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213510.7 Message 213510.7 replying to 213510.1 213510.1 ]    
On-air promos for a sexual threesome on an upcoming episode of ``Gossip Girl'' have spurred the Parents Television Council to ask affiliates of the CW network to pre-empt the show.

The PTC has gotten way too big for its britches, if it wasn't actually born that way.  Having said that, I do get a good chuckle out of their emails to me.  As a single, childless adult male I have to wonder how and why I got on their mailing list.





Why do I carry a gun?  Because I'm askeered of my own shadow.  Even after I shot it!
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#8 of 138

     Posted Nov-5 1:35 PM   
Sysop Jim Dellon
 
From  Sysop Jim Dellon  Posts 30265  Last 2:51 PM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213510.8 Message 213510.8 replying to 213510.3 213510.3 ]    
Alex --

>>I've never seen the show, myself.  But I'll own that I've always found it inappropriate to try to get shows off the air just because they don't fit my taste--for myself or my children.  I'm a firm believer in changing the channel, and leaving the stuff I don't like for the people who do like it. <<

I've never seen the show either, but if bozos like Brent Bozell object to it, they have the most powerful remedy of all - the Off Switch.  If others of a like-mind turn it off, too, fine - but I find their demand that no one should have the opportunity to view it offensive in the extreme.

-- jim
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#9 of 138

     Posted Nov-5 1:45 PM   
Michael Hoffman SL
 
From  Michael Hoffman SL  Posts 25650  Last 4:43 PM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213510.9 Message 213510.9 replying to 213510.1 213510.1 ]    
This is the first I've ever heard of this program. That said, I think people who spend time trying to get programs they don't care for removed from television (or radio) need new hobbies. If you don't care for a program, don't watch it.
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#10 of 138

     Posted Nov-5 2:01 PM   
joanna123jn
 
From  joanna123jn  Posts 9025  Last 2:57 PM
To  gordonhofer      [Msg # 213510.10 Message 213510.10 replying to 213510.5 213510.5 ]    

Suppose they don't fit the taste of a large number of people. Is it appropriate for them to take collective action to remove them from view?

I don't see a problem with that.  However, I prefer to change the channel. 

 

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#11 of 138

     Posted Nov-5 3:14 PM   
gordonhofer
 
From  gordonhofer  Posts 31258  Last 10:28 AM
To  joanna123jn      [Msg # 213510.11 Message 213510.11 replying to 213510.10 213510.10 ]    
I don't see a problem with that.  However, I prefer to change the channel.

And so do I. When my grandkids are here I'm pretty fussy about what's on the box. I think, though, that there is a legitimate concern about kids listening to filthy language on their iPod or radio when there are no parents around, or watching inappropriate TV when the folks aren't watching. I have no need to use the VChip, so I don't know how well it works but, for TV, something like that would be my preference.
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#12 of 138

     Posted Nov-5 3:32 PM   
joanna123jn
 
From  joanna123jn  Posts 9025  Last 2:57 PM
To  gordonhofer      [Msg # 213510.12 Message 213510.12 replying to 213510.11 213510.11 ]    

And so do I. When my grandkids are here I'm pretty fussy about what's on the box. I think, though, that there is a legitimate concern about kids listening to filthy language on their iPod or radio when there are no parents around, or watching inappropriate TV when the folks aren't watching. I have no need to use the VChip, so I don't know how well it works but, for TV, something like that would be my preference.

I agree with you.  My cable provider has a channel blocker using a four digit code but I have not utilized it.  However, if I still had young children at home, I certainly would take advantage of it. 

 

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     Posted Nov-5 4:24 PM   
sramretep
 
From  sramretep  Posts 11  Last Nov-19
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213510.13 Message 213510.13 replying to 213510.1 213510.1 ]    

First of all, the whole system of morality and sexuality in this country is broken. The more certain groups protest and scream about sexuality, the more taboo they make it, and the more people want it!!! This country has the most extreme divisions about sexuality of any developed western nation. We are also the most hypocritical when it comes to sex. No one is supposed to enjoy sex yet everyone does it. Why? And why pretend it doesn't exist or that we are not sexual beings?

I think it's time for the people of this country to stand up to the control freaks and the religious fanatics and the hypocrits! Look at all the politicians preaching one thing and getting caught with their you-know-whats in the cookie jar!!!

I'm convinced that if we face up to our sexuality and embrace it, we wouldn't be so pre-occupied with it and we'd have a lot better lives.
Make love not war and Pass the Vaseline! (as they used to say in the 70's)

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     Posted Nov-5 8:19 PM   
Sysop Alex Krislov
 
From  Sysop Alex Krislov  Posts 19574  Last 4:57 PM
To  kasaleliah      [Msg # 213510.14 Message 213510.14 replying to 213510.7 213510.7 ]    
I sometimes wonder why I'm NOT on the mailing list for organizations like this.  I've got two kids, mostly grown now, but somehow I never got targetted.  Is it my other demographic info-- Jewish, upper-middle class, educated?  It's certainly not that they're just targetting the religious;  I'm on all those mailing lists.
Alex
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     Posted Nov-5 8:25 PM   
Sysop Alex Krislov
 
From  Sysop Alex Krislov  Posts 19574  Last 4:57 PM
To  sramretep      [Msg # 213510.15 Message 213510.15 replying to 213510.13 213510.13 ]    (Unread)

First of all, the whole system of morality and sexuality in this country is broken. The more certain groups protest and scream about sexuality, the more taboo they make it, and the more people want it!!!

Y'know, I've seen that argument since I was a teenager in the 'sixties, and, with all due respect, I don't buy it.  Much, much less is taboo now, and I haven't noticed any diminishment in "wanting."  Rather the reverse, actually.

I think it's time for the people of this country to stand up to the control freaks and the religious fanatics and the hypocrits!

But haven't we done just that?  In my youth, the dreaded "f-bomb" rarely appeared even in books for adults, let alone commonly.  Comics were strictly regulated by the "Comics Code Authority,' whereas today they're mostly marketed toward young adults and older.  Movies and television were far more restrictive.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing, mind you.  But the idea that we're being bound in on all sides just isn't convincing to me.

 


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     Posted Nov-5 8:32 PM   
esther
 
From  esther  Posts 5629  Last 9:18 AM
To  Sysop Alex Krislov      [Msg # 213510.16 Message 213510.16 replying to 213510.1 213510.1 ]    
ak - The CW Network countered by saying the show isn't actually targeted at teenagers. According to the network, the target audience has a midrange of 27-year-olds.  In response, the PTC says such an assertion "doesn't pass the laugh test."

es - The PTC just guaranteed the CW big ratings for next Monday nights airing of Gossip Girl.
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     Posted Nov-5 8:42 PM   
Sysop Alex Krislov
 
From  Sysop Alex Krislov  Posts 19574  Last 4:57 PM
To  esther      [Msg # 213510.17 Message 213510.17 replying to 213510.16 213510.16 ]    

The PTC just guaranteed the CW big ratings for next Monday nights airing of Gossip Girl.

True, but they may have guaranteed themselves some PR in the process.  And there have been instances where reports like this have had influence -- particularly when they target children's shows.  I still remember when Rev. Wildmon's "American Family Association" smeared "Mighty Mouse" with a completely bogus claim that Mighty Mouse was snorting cocaine. The show was driven off the air.  Wildmon, of course, is the guy who claimed Jews in Hollywood have a deliberate anti-Christian agenda.


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     Posted Nov-5 9:39 PM   
sparkey
 
From  sparkey  Posts 3031  Last 2:08 PM
To  joanna123jn      [Msg # 213510.18 Message 213510.18 replying to 213510.12 213510.12 ]    

>>I agree with you.  My cable provider has a channel blocker using a four digit code but I have not utilized it.  However, if I still had young children at home, I certainly would take advantage of it.<<

A little interesting side to your statement. The other day I saw an old episode of the TV series, "The Cisco Kid," I could remember watching the series along with others, Hopalong Cassidy, Roy Rogers and the Lone Ranger. I did a Google on the Cisco Kid TV show and found that in 1953 it was nominated for an Emmy Award for children's programing. With all the shooting, killing and fist fights, I'll bet that most parents today that use that blocking feature would never get the Cisco Kid on their home TV's because of ratings. Limited sex on TV is OK, but Cisco and Pancho would probably be a no no. Times are a changing!

 

 A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.
                       Franklin D. Roosevelt , radio address, Oct. 26, 1939
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     Posted Nov-5 9:45 PM   
joanna123jn
 
From  joanna123jn  Posts 9025  Last 2:57 PM
To  sparkey      [Msg # 213510.19 Message 213510.19 replying to 213510.18 213510.18 ]    

With all the shooting, killing and fist fights, I'll bet that most parents today that use that blocking feature would never get the Cisco Kid on their home TV's because of ratings. Limited sex on TV is OK, but Cisco and Pancho would probably be a no no. Times are a changing!

That's for sure and at times I don't know whether that's a good or bad thing.

 

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     Posted Nov-5 9:47 PM   
Michael H.
 
From  Michael H.  Posts 3304  Last 7:17 AM
To  Michael Hoffman SL      [Msg # 213510.20 Message 213510.20 replying to 213510.9 213510.9 ]    
>> This is the first I've ever heard of this program. <<

Me, too.  I really don't get the sense that we've missed anything of real consequence, however.

;)



>> That said, I think people who spend time trying to get programs they don't care for removed from television (or radio) need new hobbies. If you don't care for a program, don't watch it. <<

That is my perspective, as well.



"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."

Michael Steele
Chairman of the
Republican National Committee
Feb 13th, 2009
Free Your Mind.
Free Yourself.
Ferrapontifex Invictus

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